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Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

An EV as a company car is an absolute no-brainer, putting £4,000 a year into the wallets of their drivers compared to using an ICE vehicle. This is a wizard wheeze Benefit in Kind bias in the income tax (avoidance) treatment for those 800,000 company car beneficiaries.

That's why EV's with a capital value under £40k are so much in demand.

So those EV's will filter through to private owners in due course.

But that's a small group, getting smaller every year. Company cars aren't anywhere near as popular (to employers) as they used to be.

It's not just the benefit to the driver in reduced BIK but also the benefit to the employer in reduced NI contributions on that BIK. One of the key reasons why my employer has decided to switch all company cars to EV; some immediately and others as they become due over the next 3 years.
 
Surely he can charge at one of the hundreds of rapid chargers up & down the country…. 🤷‍♂️
From what I have read they are either always busy or unreliable. He is a busy guy & doesn’t have time to hang around m-way services waiting for a car to charge:) .

He is talking about having the subsidiaries install chargers (to encourage people to switch to EV :rolleyes:;)). The range is ok one way - a round trip is the problem.
 
What about the fuel ‘shortage’ which arguably affected far more than the power outage.. where you’d still be able to drive to an unaffected rapid charger and top-up.
Did it ? There were queues, but how many found themselves unable to drive?

It's far more common to lose power - because of storms, floods, and industrial action. But no journos were interested in half a million homes without power.
 
It's not just the benefit to the driver in reduced BIK but also the benefit to the employer in reduced NI contributions on that BIK. One of the key reasons why my employer has decided to switch all company cars to EV; some immediately and others as they become due over the next 3 years.
For sure, which is why an EV is a no-brainer for the company car user. You trouser an extra £4k a year by choosing a Tesla 3 over a C220d.

But in general Company cars have been going out of fashion over the last two decades as the tax woman has gradually reduced the tax avoidance value of the benefit. She's given an inducement to move "basic" company cars to EV, but how long will even that last ?
 
For sure, which is why an EV is a no-brainer for the company car user. You trouser an extra £4k a year by choosing a Tesla 3 over a C220d.

But in general Company cars have been going out of fashion over the last two decades as the tax woman has gradually reduced the tax avoidance value of the benefit. She's given an inducement to move "basic" company cars to EV, but how long will even that last ?
In my last job (where they had a company car scheme), I took the cash instead of the car and pushed every penny of it into my pension. Totally avoided tax by using the scheme provided and promoted by the Government.
 
Until last year I had zero interest in anything EV. My daily was an Audi S6 Avant I’d bought with the intention of keeping for years and the weekend/summer car was the SL.

Then Porsche brought out the Taycan Cross Turismo. It was the first EV that looked like a decent car, built by a car manufacturer that happened to be electric. I spoke my accountant and it become blindingly obvious that simply from a tax perspective we should be running company car EV’s through our business. The same week we arranged test drives and ordered two, which we’re buying and intend to keep for 5 years.

I realise I’m in the minority – I own a company so as a company director when you look at what it costs to buy and run a petrol V8 outside of your business when paying for it all with income that has been drawn from the company on which corporation tax has been paid, then personal income tax vs and EV paid for by the business, offset against CT with a current rate of 1% BIK tax it was just a no brainer. Effectively I can buy and run a £100K Porsche for less than a £50K Audi. It’s not exactly dull either when you drive. On the test drive I felt like I was driving the future.

So with that on order and the current state of the car market (going back a month or so) I was offered a daft amount of money for the Audi so I sold it. Leaving me with a two seater sports car. A large dog and partner who is a wheelchair user. I need a cheap estate runabout until the Taycan arrived. Except there wasn’t such a thing as a cheap anything in the current climate. On a whim I looked at EV leases, decided we may as well lease a couple of runarounds through the business for £300 a month as opposed to buying a used liability privately. After several enquiries to lease companies about lead times for various cars that looked interesting – VW ID3 and the like, we changed tack and asked what was available for immediate delivery. The reply was Mazda MX-30’s.

So a quick google search to find out what a Mazda MX-30 was and why no one wanted them (shit range) and we had two ordered and delivered 10 days later. They do 100 miles on a charge.

So I’m currently a one EV one ICE household with another EV due early Feb.

My experience of EV’s so far:-

They are ideal if you have the facility to charge at home off road (or daily at your place of work). You have little need to do more than 200 miles a day with any regularity.

The Mazda is a comical thing, it is not a car I would ever have chosen had it not been for the circumstance of it’s choice. However having now lived with it for 1000 miles it is incredibly difficult to fault it for what it’s designed to do. It is a city car, designed for local driving, shopping, station runs, school runs etc. For this it’s perfect, it is the motoring equivalent of white goods. It’s not the slightest bit interesting but it does exactly what it’s designed to do very well and has been a bit of an eye opener. If you need to drive more than 120 miles in one go forget it. That’ll be what we use the Porsche for.

The higher the price point the faster they charge. My business partners Taycan arrived earlier this month and he’s tried a fast charger once which was only operating at half it’s advertised speed. That charged him from 5% to 80% in 40 minutes. In the Mazda it’s an hour to 2 hours (for half the range) due to the rate at which power can be pumped into the battery. So not all EV’s are equal.

My life suits EV’s, not everyone’s will. However I really don’t think we’re far away from vehicles with 400-500 mile true range at which point they become compelling.

That said I still enjoy my SL and I’m also currently looking to buy something with a V12 in it before they become extinct. The problem comes if you’re looking for a single vehicle to do everything. That’s a tough job for an EV at it’s current state of evolution, but I don’t think it’s as far away as many people think.
 
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Another pro-EV observation....

A cold engine start, followed by a short drive, is a catastrophic event for the engine in terms of wear, and not a great one for the environment either. And quite a few cars will have this type of usage profile, l.e. low annual mileage and mostly short journeys. This is precisely where an EV would excel. An electric motor works just fine from cold, and short journeys are not a problem. Ideal for city dwellers... and for anyone with mechanical sympathy.
 
Another pro-EV observation....

A cold engine start, followed by a short drive, is a catastrophic event for the engine in terms of wear, and not a great one for the environment either. And quite a few cars will have this type of usage profile, l.e. low annual mileage and mostly short journeys. This is precisely where an EV would excel. An electric motor works just fine from cold, and short journeys are not a problem. Ideal for city dwellers... and for anyone with mechanical sympathy.
And for the cost of a few amps, you can have a warm/defrosted car waiting for you, even if you’ve only got to do three miles down the road.
 
And for the cost of a few amps, you can have a warm/defrosted car waiting for you, even if you’ve only got to do three miles down the road.
Get a PHEV and best of both worlds. Nice ready warmed car, electric power for that short drive to the shops/school and then the ICE for the long drives/holidays
 
Get a PHEV and best of both worlds. Nice ready warmed car, electric power for that short drive to the shops/school and then the ICE for the long drives/holidays

True, but why complicate matters? Two separate propulsion systems... having just the one is a simpler solution, no?

That, or have two cars - one EV, one ICE - hedge your bets ;)
 
Another pro-EV observation....

A cold engine start, followed by a short drive, is a catastrophic event for the engine in terms of wear, and not a great one for the environment either. And quite a few cars will have this type of usage profile, l.e. low annual mileage and mostly short journeys. This is precisely where an EV would excel. An electric motor works just fine from cold, and short journeys are not a problem. Ideal for city dwellers... and for anyone with mechanical sympathy.
This is very true. I no longer use my E63 for any short journeys at all for that reason. But if you have one car you can't avoid it!
 
Another pro-EV observation....

A cold engine start, followed by a short drive, is a catastrophic event for the engine in terms of wear, and not a great one for the environment either. And quite a few cars will have this type of usage profile, l.e. low annual mileage and mostly short journeys. This is precisely where an EV would excel. An electric motor works just fine from cold, and short journeys are not a problem. Ideal for city dwellers... and for anyone with mechanical sympathy.

I looked at the Twizzy when it was launched wondering if it would be a practical urban/suburban runabout and figured that if we had such a contraption then we'd end up walking less because we tend to avoid short journeys by car as a matter of course.

As regards ICE vehicles - the term 'catastrophic event' doesn't seem to bear with reality of actual usage patterns:

- A car that is repeatedly exposed to many short journeys during the day will already be warmed up for most of them.
- A car that is exposed to more intermittent short journeys will simply not accumulate mileage and so that 'catastrophic' wear and tear will accumulate at a rate that doesn't affect it for years.

Plenty of cars seem to last years on these journey patterns with pensioners I've known.
 
As regards ICE vehicles - the term 'catastrophic event' doesn't seem to bear with reality of actual usage patterns:

- A car that is repeatedly exposed to many short journeys during the day will already be warmed up for most of them.
- A car that is exposed to more intermittent short journeys will simply not accumulate mileage and so that 'catastrophic' wear and tear will accumulate at a rate that doesn't affect it for years.

Plenty of cars seem to last years on these journey patterns with pensioners I've known.

I'd agree that not many will fail catastrophically but they do tend to end up full of sludge which offends my engineering sensibilities. My wife's car, if not quite as bad, was well on the way to looking like the picture below after 5 years of a very short school run and was only saved by me using it several times a years for the 200 mile round trip university run. The engine never did fail catastrophically but that might have been because No1 son wrote it off at 56,000 miles and 10 years old.


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I looked at the Twizzy when it was launched wondering if it would be a practical urban/suburban runabout and figured that if we had such a contraption then we'd end up walking less because we tend to avoid short journeys by car as a matter of course.

As regards ICE vehicles - the term 'catastrophic event' doesn't seem to bear with reality of actual usage patterns:

- A car that is repeatedly exposed to many short journeys during the day will already be warmed up for most of them.
- A car that is exposed to more intermittent short journeys will simply not accumulate mileage and so that 'catastrophic' wear and tear will accumulate at a rate that doesn't affect it for years.

Plenty of cars seem to last years on these journey patterns with pensioners I've known.

From the economic point of view, you are of course absolutely right. Whatever wear the engine may suffer as result of infrequent short journeys is unlikely to translate to a cost under the current owner. In fact, the car will probably depreciate to a point where it reaches the end of its service life, long before the engine will pack in.

But from the 'mechanical sympathy' point of view... personally, I feel the pain of the engine whenever I start it from cold. It's just not right. Money doesnt come into it.

In contrast, I have no issues with moving my EV a couple of feet forward so that it's parked right in front of the house, even if it hasn't been driven today and won't be driven later either.
 
In contrast, I have no issues with moving my EV a couple of feet forward so that it's parked right in front of the house, even if it hasn't been driven today and won't be driven later either.

I tend not to stop/start electrical and electronic equipment more than necessary.

I would probably take that basic approach with an EV.

I would assume that there are a number of electro-hydraulic systems and battery conditioning that get kicked off when the vehicle is started. Moving off from stationary will also involve the electric motors and control circuits being briefly electrically stressed. So reducing the number of power or startup activation cycles is probably a 'good thing' if planning to keep the vehicle.
 
As mentioned above, one of the EV treats is being able to keep the car nice and warm when sat waiting for someone/in the morning before leaving..
 
I'd agree that not many will fail catastrophically but they do tend to end up full of sludge which offends my engineering sensibilities. My wife's car, if not quite as bad, was well on the way to looking like the picture below after 5 years of a very short school run and was only saved by me using it several times a years for the 200 mile round trip university run. The engine never did fail catastrophically but that might have been because No1 son wrote it off at 56,000 miles and 10 years old.


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How often did you change your oil?
 
I'd agree that not many will fail catastrophically but they do tend to end up full of sludge which offends my engineering sensibilities. My wife's car, if not quite as bad, was well on the way to looking like the picture below after 5 years of a very short school run and was only saved by me using it several times a years for the 200 mile round trip university run. The engine never did fail catastrophically but that might have been because No1 son wrote it off at 56,000 miles and 10 years old.


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That’s a lack of servicing (oil changes) not short journeys. Short journeys leaves moisture in the oil and it will be milky - i know because I have an air cooled Porsche which takes an age to warm up.
 
Well the question asked was whats your plan for 2030 ban on ICE vehicles,well for me I will buy a petrol car around 2027 and run that right through the 2030 and beyond,I might buy a phev ,my diesel car now is 7 years old I would have changed it but the market has gone crazy,so will wait and see ,but I will not buy a pure EV,thankfully my age will have crept up to a point where unless there are driving tests to prove you still have all your marbles and can still drive safely,I will give up driving.
 

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