164k miles E63

[AMGeed]

Who wants turbo lag or SC kick in on a corner

Id sooner be in a N/A engine any day.

There is no turbo lag on an M157 engine.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

I think you will find it come out the factory with many different Hp figures. Not just the 450 c63 the 525 hp version is available also. 75 HP increase.

The M156 is rated at 510 PS (503 BHP) from factory in the W164 ML 63 AMG.

Also a rw driven car is much greater fun that a 4 wheel drive shed lol.

A car will be more agile in the Twisties than a shed on steroids.

All things are relative. A sports car could be said to be be much greater fun than a rw driven car shed, and more agile in the twisties than a shed with back seats and on steroids.

Personal preference - and the car on the drive - will often influence what each of us consider fun. Ultimately though all cars are a compromise, they just have different compromises.

I have a feeling any engine in the cumbersome ml body will never feel as fun than a cars lower gravity chassis.

It really depends upon how you define fun. My mate Dave is a jolly lucky chap, and has the opportunity to drive all sorts, but he loves driving an ML 63 in the twisties.

He’s a bit weird. He used to get a kick out of crossing Devon on back roads as fast as he possibly could without getting a moan from passengers, in a diesel W163 ML.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Who wants turbo lag or SC kick in on a corner

Id sooner be in a N/A engine any day.

It’s been a long time since lag has been an issue on road cars. Have you ever driven a car with an M157 or M177/8 engine? Driving them quickly through bends really isn’t an issue.

 

[350cls]

It’s been a long time since lag has been an issue on road cars. Have you ever driven a car with an M157 or M177/8 engine? Driving them quickly through bends really isn’t an issue.

Nope. And dont intend to either.
The sc m113k is bullet in a straight line, useless chassis in the corners with its suspension set up. More of a heavyweight cruiser than a back Rd weapon, I imagine the ml to be just like the w211 in the corners.

No turbo lag, no thank you 157

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Nope. And dont intend to either.
The sc m113k is bullet in a straight line, useless chassis in the corners with its suspension set up. More of a heavyweight cruiser than a back Rd weapon, I imagine the ml to be just like the w211 in the corners.

No turbo lag, no thank you 157

I completely understand your love of the M156 and W/S212, a great engine, a great car, a great combination. I can see the appeal, I really love the combination of M156 and W164. I would say the W/S211 is easily better handling than a W164, but I happen to really enjoy hustling SUVs.

If you had a go in a car with a different engine and or platform then it would either confirm that the M156 and W/S212 really is the untouchable pinnacle of what the human race can achieve when it comes to personal transport; or it could confirm that the others aren’t so bad afterall

On second thoughts, don’t, it might get expensive for you, and admin would have to go back and do a find on “M156” and “W/S212” and replace with “M177” and “W/S213” or equivalent!

My favourite engine/car is always the last one I have driven. Bad because that makes test drives expensive, good because it opens up my mind to other possibilities that I might have otherwise dismissed. It also means I love the cars I have, and that last point is one we share.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

More of a heavyweight cruiser than a back Rd weapon, I imagine the ml to be just like the w211 in the corners.

PS Nooooo the ML definitely isn’t a back Rd weapon, it’s a track weapon!

 

[E55BOF]

Nope. And dont intend to either.

I was the same with the 156. Now I've driven one, I know that it's not as good as either a 113K or a 157; I was right all along. They're all good, but not the same....

My mind is no longer closed; how about yours?

 

[AMGeed]

I was the same with the 156. Now I've driven one, I know that it's not as good as either a 113K or a 157; I was right all along. They're all good, but not the same....

My mind is no longer closed; how about yours?

Tom doesn't want to know about a better engine.
Whatever he currently owns is the best, as were are constantly being told.. Same as his previous E55.
Shame he hasn't an open mind about either the M157 or M177.
No problem though. It's his loss.

 

[E55BOF]

I'm a bit like that, in that once I find something I like, I'm happy with it. Cars are a bit like girlfriends; by all means once you find one you like, stick with what you've got because you're happy, but don't dismiss the possibility that there might be something even better out there that you haven't tried yet...

(I'm still waiting, albeit increasingly hopelessly, for that teenage Swedish nymphomaniac whose father owns a brewery...).

 

[ToeKnee]

(I'm still waiting, albeit increasingly hopelessly, for that teenage Swedish nymphomaniac whose father owns a brewery...).

Sorry Dennis, she's still busy.......

 

[350cls]

This is the point, you guys hype on about this turboed out engine with how good it is but never give credit where its due with others ie the mighty 156. You seem to think I have this fascinaton with the 156 you would be correct lol. The engine has won awards. Ill say it again, in the w212 chassis the m156 is equal if not better to that of the e60/61 m5 platform on a handling front. Plus it's quicker. Yes it old tech compared to what's available on today's market. But its old tech that has won awards. Unlike the very engine you guys rave hasn't. Not in it's class anyways. Don't put to much strain on them turbos with tuneing and so on, they don't like it you know

I'm in the red corner you raving mad 157 in the blue corner. I'll always be a Red

M156 vs M157 "let's get it on"

 

[E55BOF]

This is the point, you guys hype on about this turboed out engine with how good it is but never give credit where its due with others ie the mighty 156. You seem to think I have this fascinaton with the 156 you would be correct lol. The engine has won awards. Ill say it again, in the w212 chassis the m156 is equal if not better to that of the e60/61 m5 platform on a handling front. Plus it's quicker. Yes it old tech compared to what's available on today's market. But its old tech that has won awards. Unlike the very engine you guys rave hasn't. Not in it's class anyways. Don't put to much strain on them turbos with tuneing and so on, they don't like it you know

I'm in the red corner you raving mad 157 in the blue corner. I'll always be a Red

M156 vs M157 "let's get it on"

Glad the One True Faith has been revealed to you. Been there, done that, moved on; turned out there were other faiths out there. Believe what you like; Flat Earthers do too...