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I think you will find it come out the factory with many different Hp figures. Not just the 450 c63 the 525 hp version is available also. 75 HP increase.
The M156 is rated at 510 PS (503 BHP) from factory in the W164 ML 63 AMG.
Also a rw driven car is much greater fun that a 4 wheel drive shed lol.

A car will be more agile in the Twisties than a shed on steroids.
All things are relative. A sports car could be said to be be much greater fun than a rw driven car shed, and more agile in the twisties than a shed with back seats and on steroids.

Personal preference - and the car on the drive - will often influence what each of us consider fun. Ultimately though all cars are a compromise, they just have different compromises.

I have a feeling any engine in the cumbersome ml body will never feel as fun than a cars lower gravity chassis.
It really depends upon how you define fun. My mate Dave is a jolly lucky chap, and has the opportunity to drive all sorts, but he loves driving an ML 63 in the twisties.

He’s a bit weird. He used to get a kick out of crossing Devon on back roads as fast as he possibly could without getting a moan from passengers, in a diesel W163 ML.
 
Who wants turbo lag or SC kick in on a corner 🤦

Id sooner be in a N/A engine any day.
It’s been a long time since lag has been an issue on road cars. Have you ever driven a car with an M157 or M177/8 engine? Driving them quickly through bends really isn’t an issue.
 
It’s been a long time since lag has been an issue on road cars. Have you ever driven a car with an M157 or M177/8 engine? Driving them quickly through bends really isn’t an issue.
Nope. And dont intend to either.
The sc m113k is bullet in a straight line, useless chassis in the corners with its suspension set up. More of a heavyweight cruiser than a back Rd weapon, I imagine the ml to be just like the w211 in the corners.

No turbo lag, no thank you 157 👎😁
 
Nope. And dont intend to either.
The sc m113k is bullet in a straight line, useless chassis in the corners with its suspension set up. More of a heavyweight cruiser than a back Rd weapon, I imagine the ml to be just like the w211 in the corners.

No turbo lag, no thank you 157 👎😁
I completely understand your love of the M156 and W/S212, a great engine, a great car, a great combination. I can see the appeal, I really love the combination of M156 and W164. I would say the W/S211 is easily better handling than a W164, but I happen to really enjoy hustling SUVs.

If you had a go in a car with a different engine and or platform then it would either confirm that the M156 and W/S212 really is the untouchable pinnacle of what the human race can achieve when it comes to personal transport; or it could confirm that the others aren’t so bad afterall 👀

On second thoughts, don’t, it might get expensive for you, and admin would have to go back and do a find on “M156” and “W/S212” and replace with “M177” and “W/S213” or equivalent! 😀

My favourite engine/car is always the last one I have driven. Bad because that makes test drives expensive, good because it opens up my mind to other possibilities that I might have otherwise dismissed. It also means I love the cars I have, and that last point is one we share.
 
More of a heavyweight cruiser than a back Rd weapon, I imagine the ml to be just like the w211 in the corners.
PS Nooooo the ML definitely isn’t a back Rd weapon, it’s a track weapon! 👀

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Nope. And dont intend to either.
I was the same with the 156. Now I've driven one, I know that it's not as good as either a 113K or a 157; I was right all along. They're all good, but not the same....

My mind is no longer closed; how about yours?
 
I was the same with the 156. Now I've driven one, I know that it's not as good as either a 113K or a 157; I was right all along. They're all good, but not the same....

My mind is no longer closed; how about yours?
Tom doesn't want to know about a better engine.
Whatever he currently owns is the best, as were are constantly being told.. Same as his previous E55.
Shame he hasn't an open mind about either the M157 or M177.
No problem though. It's his loss.
 
I'm a bit like that, in that once I find something I like, I'm happy with it. Cars are a bit like girlfriends; by all means once you find one you like, stick with what you've got because you're happy, but don't dismiss the possibility that there might be something even better out there that you haven't tried yet...

(I'm still waiting, albeit increasingly hopelessly, for that teenage Swedish nymphomaniac whose father owns a brewery...).
 
(I'm still waiting, albeit increasingly hopelessly, for that teenage Swedish nymphomaniac whose father owns a brewery...).
Sorry Dennis, she's still busy....... 😉
 
This is the point, you guys hype on about this turboed out engine with how good it is but never give credit where its due with others ie the mighty 156. You seem to think I have this fascinaton with the 156 you would be correct lol. The engine has won awards. Ill say it again, in the w212 chassis the m156 is equal if not better to that of the e60/61 m5 platform on a handling front. Plus it's quicker. Yes it old tech compared to what's available on today's market. But its old tech that has won awards. Unlike the very engine you guys rave hasn't. Not in it's class anyways. Don't put to much strain on them turbos with tuneing and so on, they don't like it you know 🙄

I'm in the red corner you raving mad 157 in the blue corner. I'll always be a Red ♥️ 😁👍

M156 vs M157 "let's get it on" 😀
 
This is the point, you guys hype on about this turboed out engine with how good it is but never give credit where its due with others ie the mighty 156. You seem to think I have this fascinaton with the 156 you would be correct lol. The engine has won awards. Ill say it again, in the w212 chassis the m156 is equal if not better to that of the e60/61 m5 platform on a handling front. Plus it's quicker. Yes it old tech compared to what's available on today's market. But its old tech that has won awards. Unlike the very engine you guys rave hasn't. Not in it's class anyways. Don't put to much strain on them turbos with tuneing and so on, they don't like it you know 🙄

I'm in the red corner you raving mad 157 in the blue corner. I'll always be a Red ♥️ 😁👍

M156 vs M157 "let's get it on" 😀
Glad the One True Faith has been revealed to you. Been there, done that, moved on; turned out there were other faiths out there. Believe what you like; Flat Earthers do too...
 
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On the m156cars, at least 80% of the torque comes in at 2.5k revs so it's not lacking any low down power , beats most turbo cars on the torque front with a healthy 630nm , so unless you're overtaking on the motorway in a sc or turbo, you're not really going to be able to exploit the full power on the 6.2 at least in the E class , not sure about S class or SUVs . what it does much better is puts the power down and has loads of it. Even then it's struggling for grip in all but the most favourable conditions. I also think because of the lack of ridiculous torque, the transmission has to deal with, it seems like it's shifting gears quicker than the M157 I had at least. The engine responsiveness is also better in the 156, the 157 felt a tad bit lazy but you're going from nothing to loads of torque , there's around half a second before you feel the shove on the 157 but of course when it does kick in it's brutal as hell and feels way more powerful than the 156. I'd say an m157 is perfect for an SUV or motorway cruiser but if you want precision then the m156 is fantastic. To be fair the M177 was really really responsive and precise I could do more sporty driving with my c63s albeit it was a smaller car and the rear end was very loose, the e63 is brilliantly planted by comparison and it takes a lot to unhinge the back end. I saw an ad on auto trader for a s213 e63s from Merc Oxford , 5k miles , driver assistance, 2 years extended warranty and I was ready to say bye bye to the w212 this morning. Called the dealership to buy the car and part ex my w212. Turns out the ad was incorrect and the car has over 40k miles on it and they've updated the ad. So guess I'm keeping the 6.2! for GBP 3.5k, fitting long tube headers can take the 6.2l to around 550 to 560hp... That's plenty and it's natural aspiration - I don't think a stock m157 e63 is competing with that experience and when you factor in the hydraulic steering (which is a bit too big to be fair) I just think the 6.2 w212 is very special. But equally a facelift 5.5l is a lovely package too
 
To everyone else, I apologise for the long post 😀

This is the point, you guys hype on about this turboed out engine with how good it is but never give credit where it’s due with others ie the mighty 156. You seem to think I have this fascinaton with the 156 you would be correct lol. The engine has won awards. I’ll say it again, in the w212 chassis the m156 is equal if not better to that of the e60/61 m5 platform on a handling front. Plus it's quicker. Yes it old tech compared to what's available on today's market. But it’s old tech that has won awards. Unlike the very engine you guys rave hasn't. Not in its class anyways. Don't put to much strain on them turbos with tuneing and so on, they don't like it you know 🙄

I'm in the red corner you raving mad 157 in the blue corner. I'll always be a Red ♥️ 😁👍

M156 vs M157 "let's get it on" 😀
I’m not sure whether you see me as being in the red ❤️ corner or blue 💙 corner, however I’d like to think I’m fairly well balanced on most topics, and especially the merits of AMG V8 engines 👀

I love the M156, it’s a great engine. I can’t ever remember reading any MBClubbers write anything other than it being a great engine, even if their personal preference is for something else entirely.

I can’t ever recall reading any negative comments or unfair criticism whether serious or in jest. There may be a few which I’ve forgotten, but they will be in the small majority (if at all).

The reason that I and others comment about other engines is because you don’t just say you love the M156, you choose to make negative comments about other engines, cars, induction methods, etc.

If you just posted “I love my M156” there wouldn’t be any replies from others mentioning other engines. But if you might post “I love my my M156 and the M157 is rubbish” (exaggerated for effect).

Whilst not an example of such a comment on the M157, this is a very recent example of doing what I describe above, this time referring to sheds …I mean SUVs and the ML 63 AMG specifically.

Also a rw driven car is much greater fun that a 4 wheel drive shed lol.

A car will be more agile in the Twisties than a shed on steroids. I have a feeling any engine in the cumbersome ml body will never feel as fun than a cars lower gravity chassis.

Referring to it as a shed is inviting a response, it’s deliberately inflammatory. Everyone who cares already knows that a car ought to handle more sharply than an SUV, the shed reference is unnecessary.

Hence the reason that in my reply I referred to “rw driven cars” as sheds, not because I believe they are - far from it - but to highlight that it’s inflammatory by mirroring your language back to you.

All things are relative. A sports car could be said to be be much greater fun than a rw driven car shed, and more agile in the twisties than a shed with back seats and on steroids.

I suspect that @E55BOF will be about as concerned as I am about you referring to an ML 63 as being a shed, as we already know what it is and isn’t. But others may be more sensitive.

Apply that to similar comments about the M157 of which you have made many - albeit the most recent was about the platform - and you might see why people reply about their own preferences.

The irony is that there’s a void of evidence of anyone being inflammatory about the M156 but you regularly mention that others do, or don’t respect, or don’t give credit, etc.

We all love the fact you are really really really in to the M156, the W/S212 prefacelift, and the M156 in a W/S212 prefacelift, and you don’t need to be inflammatory about others to make that point.

If you ever change your mind about sampling other AMG V8 engines (and other Mercedes platforms) then I may be able to help you out, as I might be able to borrow some from my mate Dave.

We really need to go to Santa Pod to settle some scores! A track day would be good but being competitive is perhaps better left to a drag strip rather than a track day.

Enjoy your M156 in your W/S212, it’s a great engine in a great car.
 
On the m156cars, at least 80% of the torque comes in at 2.5k revs so it's not lacking any low down power , beats most turbo cars on the torque front with a healthy 630nm , so unless you're overtaking on the motorway in a sc or turbo, you're not really going to be able to exploit the full power on the 6.2 at least in the E class , not sure about S class or SUVs . what it does much better is puts the power down and has loads of it. Even then it's struggling for grip in all but the most favourable conditions. I also think because of the lack of ridiculous torque, the transmission has to deal with, it seems like it's shifting gears quicker than the M157 I had at least. The engine responsiveness is also better in the 156, the 157 felt a tad bit lazy but you're going from nothing to loads of torque , there's around half a second before you feel the shove on the 157 but of course when it does kick in it's brutal as hell and feels way more powerful than the 156. I'd say an m157 is perfect for an SUV or motorway cruiser but if you want precision then the m156 is fantastic. To be fair the M177 was really really responsive and precise I could do more sporty driving with my c63s albeit it was a smaller car and the rear end was very loose, the e63 is brilliantly planted by comparison and it takes a lot to unhinge the back end. I saw an ad on auto trader for a s213 e63s from Merc Oxford , 5k miles , driver assistance, 2 years extended warranty and I was ready to say bye bye to the w212 this morning. Called the dealership to buy the car and part ex my w212. Turns out the ad was incorrect and the car has over 40k miles on it and they've updated the ad. So guess I'm keeping the 6.2! for GBP 3.5k, fitting long tube headers can take the 6.2l to around 550 to 560hp... That's plenty and it's natural aspiration - I don't think a stock m157 e63 is competing with that experience and when you factor in the hydraulic steering (which is a bit too big to be fair) I just think the 6.2 w212 is very special. But equally a facelift 5.5l is a lovely package too
Great post 👍🏻

I'd say an m157 is perfect for an SUV or motorway cruiser but if you want precision then the m156 is fantastic.
You’d certainly think so, and the W166 ML 63 with the M157 is objectively a better car than the W164 ML 63 with the M156. However I personally prefer driving the W164.

I guess that’s because I decide which car to drive subjectively (preference) rather than objectively (better). That’s a balanced view as I have the opportunity to drive either.
 
Happy days lads happy days. We know which has the award I'll leave it there. I'm a red ♥️ always will be 😁☀️🙏

Remember them turbo's don't like to much stick 😉
 
Didn’t Weistec used to upgrade the 156 with a bolt on S/C conversion?

Could be a handy climb down for Tom when he wants an upgrade without losing face :p
 
Didn’t Weistec used to upgrade the 156 with a bolt on S/C conversion?
Could be a handy climb down for Tom when he wants an upgrade without losing face :p
Nice idea, but throwing £10k at his car would be a waste of money.
A few C63 owners have done this with great success.
 
Remember not to give them turbos to much stick they don't like it.

It won awards for a reason you know😉
 
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