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You guys are gonna laugh at me for this , but i love the Koenig SEC....

I had a picture of it on my wall when i was younger :o

All very special cars though ...

But the rear wing is so....errr....how can I put this......Thames Valley car park at midnight......Koenig's always been a bit bonkers.
 
Do you remember the Koenig 'Competition' ?

Was a Testarossa conversion , looked like the F40 , but was built way before the F40 was ever made ....

Quad turbos and twin superchargers , gold plated alloys .... Mental ...getting on for 1000bhp ... in the late 80's !!

They also did a Porsche ( 964 ) called the 'Atomic Cockroach' that was 800bhp ( in the late 8o's early 90's :eek: ) that had little projector headlights way before i ever saw them anywhere else

Must be some pictures out there somewhere !!

H
 
But your friend is right, at pre 1993 AMG was an after market tuning firm much in the same way Brabus still is, and you took your car to them (or ordered through them) and ticked the boxes that you wanted, so a genuine AMG car might not necessarily have engine modifications, you could just specify cosmetic alterations. The 6.0 engines, particularly the quad cams have a reputations of being somewhat temperamental and high maintenance, and they actually aren't that much more powerful than a standard 560 (300bhp standard - 360bhp 6.0 quad cam).

Certainly collectors pieces though, the widebody never did it for me though, the standard AMG kit looked nicer.[/QUOTE]

The 6.0 Quad cam pumped out 380 bhp....the smaller 5.6 (360bhp) and the 5.0 Quad Cam (340bhp). Where these engines really excelled was in the mid range.....dropping down through the gears a 5.6 Hammer (W124) would cover ground faster than a Ferrari Testarossa, Porsche Turbo and a Countach. They also topped out at 186mph

In terms of running one day to day, they were not as temperamental as has been claimed...most of the poor running was down to poor maintenance, ie there were/are only very few people who know how to set them up, ie valve clearances, timing etc etc....if you get this wrong even by the slightest of margins they will run like a dog and will drive dreadfully.

What you tended to find is that the owners of the cars when they were second/third hand etc tried to get local garages to set them up...they would then fail to get them running 100%, so exasperated owners would sell them on again and somebody else would have a go and make things worse and so on and so on.

With the eldest of these quad cam engines being 22 years old, many of the original mechanics who worked for the AMG agents have moved on or retired and the knowledge has been lost and its all but impossible to find any technical data for these cars and AMG themselves are not interested as it was prior to the Mercedes takeover.

In terms of the heads which are the critical items on the engine, all parts can be obtained, ie valves, springs, seals etc etc.....the only item that will cripple you, is if you wreck a head casting, as you will not find a spare one. Thankfully they are very over engineered and its the least likely thing to fail.

Great engines and hugely powerful when they were used by Sauber in their Le Man cars in the mid to late 80's where they twin turbo'd them....800bhp!

And lastly, the sound of a quad cam is like no other Mercedes...they sound more like a small block Chevy Nascar:D
 
Check out the width of those rear tyres....345's!!
 
Tell you what , when i win the lottery on friday night , that'll be on my drive within a week ... :)

Those old skool tuners are just on fire !!

Gotta love the widebody , even today it still looks cool !!

H
 
If I win, I'll have to fight you for it........roll on the Euro Millions roll-over on Friday and I'll be booking my flight.

What do you think of the price...I think its pretty fair...thoughts?

Just look at that beast from the head on view...just imagine that looming into your rear view mirror on the M4.....I WANT IT AND I WANT IT BAD!!
 
18K Euros ? is that about 15 grand ?

Seems a good price , TBH i don't know what these are worth ...

Actually with a lottery win , we'll go out to Garage Current with a 40ft container and just buy everything they have !! ;)
 
18K Euros ? is that about 15 grand ?

Seems a good price , TBH i don't know what these are worth ...

Actually with a lottery win , we'll go out to Garage Current with a 40ft container and just buy everything they have !! ;)

About $2000 US to get a 40' container back from Japan (I've already asked my shipping agent:rolleyes:)....but it's all the SVA and import duty and the fact most of these are left hand drive that puts me off.

I'll join you on the trip though, they really have some mint original AMG's there:)
 
Love the wheels in your avatar Mudster ...

Colour coded wheels rule :rock:
 
Vlad ...Spasibo!
In terms of running one day to day, they were not as temperamental as has been claimed...most of the poor running was down to poor maintenance, ie there were/are only very few people who know how to set them up, ie valve clearances, timing etc etc....if you get this wrong even by the slightest of margins they will run like a dog and will drive dreadfully.

What you tended to find is that the owners of the cars when they were second/third hand etc tried to get local garages to set them up...they would then fail to get them running 100%, so exasperated owners would sell them on again and somebody else would have a go and make things worse and so on and so on.


This is exactly what I have had to contend with here.A road test on the week end pointed out that the car was starting in 2nd but wasn't shifting into first at mid to full throttle as designed. A quick mod to the controller fixed that,but it was still not too fast. low to midrange is fast(ish) but at normal driving speeds it felt retarded. Stupid me didn't bother checking the vacuum advance ,and guess what,it's shot. :crazy:
Which now brings me to another problem. I need a new vacuum advance canister,not the dual action one ( wrong curve) ,I need a single action one and none were ever sold here in the OZ out back. Dissy on this engine is a 0 237 401 010 .Canister has a mark reading 2331.
If anyone has one or even a complete dissy I will buy!
 

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