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Another Tax U turn

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Hurrah! Gordon and Alistair will make the oil prices and thus fuel prices all better by "tweaking" some North Sea Oil tax rules. Happy faces and big happy headlines all round

Utter, utter, nonsense lies and spin. This sort of thing makes so many people in the business world worry just what the UK Government will do next.

Despite the headlines it does not actually reverse the 2005 vintage Gordon Brown insanity that everyone in the oil industry told him in very clear and logical terms why this would serve only to depress long term output and inhibit further development in a high cost area that was rapidly becoming marginal.

But at the time Gordon, who was seeking only more revenues short term, dismissed this as baseless protestations by evil oil company capitalists. Oh really.


Gordon Brown landed North Sea oil in choppy water

".....the Government is culpable for its management of the tax regime. Some years ago Mr Brown switched the system to a more modern scheme, charging oil companies a supplement to corporation tax for their North Sea profits, but allowing them to offset the investment they poured in.

It was a sensible change, designed to encourage companies to spend more on finding new fields. However, in 2005, the Treasury suddenly and unexpectedly raised this supplementary tax rate.

All businesses are reluctant to invest in a region if they fear its tax policies will change suddenly and without warning - none more so than oil companies, which make their investment decisions on a 20 to 30-year horizon. Crucially, the tax cut announced yesterday affects only older oil fields, which are covered by a separate tax regime, and does not reverse this new windfall tax.

This is hardly surprising. Over the past decades the North Sea has become one of the Government's biggest corporate tax cows, generating more than £230bn in revenue since 1968. The Treasury is expecting to make around £10bn this year from oil revenues, though experts at Grant Thornton think this could rise as high as £16bn due to higher oil prices.

However, this windfall has come at a price. If, as thought, it is responsible for depressing production in recent years, it has helped make the UK a net oil importer two years earlier than expected.

Not only does this have serious implications for energy policy, it has pushed the current account deficit sharply higher and contributed to a weaker pound. It has meant that whereas a few years ago Britain was well positioned to benefit from a high oil price, the implications today are far more damaging for the economy."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/05/29/ccoil129.xml
 
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Agree. Just as daft as GB trying to deal with today’s prices at the pump by encouraging OPEC and the oil cos to prospect more and produce more. Whilst this might have some medium to long term success it's not going to do have any effect in the short term. Just spin.

Media are very poor at pointing out the tax bonus GB is deriving from increased oil price through the taxation described in the OP and the increase take from sales at the pump (VAT). Media allow GB to get away with his general purpose excuse that it’s all down to global economic conditions and not his fault at all. This bonus could be used to cushion the effect of price rises. Well, it could if GB wasn't broke.

The claim that VED increases on older cars are part of the green agenda are insulting. They don't encourage behaviour they just penalise people with older cars. Causing them to pay more tax at the same time as reducing the value of their car making it harder for them to sell it and buy another ,possibly greener, car.

If they do manage to sell it that doesn't stop it producing CO2 it just changes owner and goes on producing pollution.

VED is a clumsy tool anyway, stationary cars don’t produce any emissions. It’s the driving of them that causes the problem. Far more sensible to tax the usage through fuel taxes and get rid of the VED altogether. Unavoidable too.
 
The claim that VED increases on older cars are part of the green agenda are insulting. They don't encourage behaviour they just penalise people with older cars. Causing them to pay more tax at the same time as reducing the value of their car making it harder for them to sell it and buy another ,possibly greener, car.

If they do manage to sell it that doesn't stop it producing CO2 it just changes owner and goes on producing pollution.

VED is a clumsy tool anyway, stationary cars don’t produce any emissions. It’s the driving of them that causes the problem. Far more sensible to tax the usage through fuel taxes and get rid of the VED altogether. Unavoidable too.

I heartily agree with this, I recently started cycling to work which only produces a moderate amount of methane. My car on the other hand whilst stationary on my driveway consumes & produces nothing - why am I then penalised for being un-green?
 

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