Anybody had a chip/Remap done to there Mercedes

[rf065]

A tuner should be taking torque limitations of gearboxes into consideration and a good one can limit it.

The biggest problem with a 220CDi is a table was posted that shows the auto box is only rated for about the same torque it puts out as standard. Therefore any increase at all is too much if you want long term reliability.

Other models, like 270CDi & 320CDi's have bigger safety margins as standard.

Russ

 

[KLP 92]

A tuner should be taking torque limitations of gearboxes into consideration and a good one can limit it.

Both done by large outfits, one was superchips and the other was a rolling road specialist.

Torque limiters were present in both programs.

The problem is that at certain points in the powerband if you changed gear to slingshot using the added torque the gearbox would detect a small slippage and bring up a speed sensor fault code. This investigated further was caused by a minor slippage in the gearbox resulting in it going into limp mode.

Basically if you drive the car normally its fine, but if you know the peak power bands and the optimum kickdown points for maximum kickdown you will end up ruining the gearbox.

I've tried this on other CDIs that are chipped with various programs, within 5 minutes of repitive abuse they all go into limp.

If anyone feels this is untrue then feel free to donate your car for 5 minutes and i'll happily prove the point.

 

[Dieselman]

If anyone feels this is untrue then feel free to donate your car for 5 minutes and i'll happily prove the point.

LOL..

I also remember Tigger having the Brabus D3 upgrade and it finishing his differential in fine style.

 

[Dieselman]

I Dynoed mine after the remap and it gave a positive increase, always a good idea to before & after dyno test though.

Forget dyno runs, they can be made to say anything. The simplest test of performance upgrade is using a stopwatch for checking 'in gear' times. Find a flat road and do five runs in each direction, any improvement will be immediately obvious on the clock.

 

[Aoraki]

Got one of THESE on my W204 220cdi. Great improvment in torque, fuel economy slightly up. All in all, I'm happy with the results.

 

[Merc-Man]

Hi , i went for one of these on my '02 W210 E320 CDI , i saw it on the Tonight TV programme ... i was a bit sceptical at first but as the price of diesel was increasing daily i thought i'd give it a go :

Paramount Economy - Diesel Tuning

I've had it fitted for nearly a year now , its increased the fuel economy by up to 10% and increased the BHP and torque . the engine still pulls really well through the rev range , and all this without extra smoke pouring out of the exhaust . i use my Merc as a taxi and i've done over 35,000 miles with it fitted ... its saved me a small fortune already

It cost £350 at the time and i fitted it myself in about 30 mins

 

[oscarisapc]

Tunit on a C220cdi

I had a Tunit chip for a couple of years on my 2002 C220cdi coupe - I had it compter set by the dealer for optimum low down torque with some trade off against max power. It was brilliant in my opinion - what it did was reduce the lag between throttle and response and it made the whole car seem more driveable So much so that when my wife drove it after I had taken the Tunit off and hadn't told her, she asked whether there was anything wrong with the car as it didn't seem right compared with what she was used to.

I can't comment on whether the car was actually any faster - but it felt as though it was, so I enjoyed it more. Fuel consumption was slightly increased despite what the adverts claim - may have been because I was just a bit more enthusiastic with the accelerator.

The only downside of an engine chip is that it must be declared to the insurance company and the insurance gets loaded. I'm no boy racer and have a clean history but Direct Line still wanted an extra £100 premium per year plus an additional £200 added to the compulsory excess. When I swapped my old C220cdi with chip for my current C320cdi without chip my insurance premium went down!

My old Tunit is available if anyone wants it - please pm me.

 

[jose]

Hi , i went for one of these on my '02 W210 E320 CDI , i saw it on the Tonight TV programme ... i was a bit sceptical at first but as the price of diesel was increasing daily i thought i'd give it a go :

Paramount Economy - Diesel Tuning

I've had it fitted for nearly a year now , its increased the fuel economy by up to 10% and increased the BHP and torque . the engine still pulls really well through the rev range , and all this without extra smoke pouring out of the exhaust . i use my Merc as a taxi and i've done over 35,000 miles with it fitted ... its saved me a small fortune already

It cost £350 at the time and i fitted it myself in about 30 mins

Is it a DPT box if you don't mind me asking? I had one fitted to my C320 CDI by one of their fitters 4 weeks ago and it cost £350. The reason I chose this box is that it only increases the BHP and torque moderately and not as aggressive as other boxes in the market. I also considered the fact that their boxes are approved by 30 odd MB dealers in the Netherlands.

 

[owensmith]

If you remap a diesel and it caused it to smoke more -- how is that a good thing? Or is that just a inefficient remap?

The remap is ok but there are many things you change also somewhere on the 'map' there is a smoke map if you go to a decent tuner they will know how to change the smoke map so it wont blow out tons of black cloud out the back!

Remapped S500 very lively should have come out of factory like that! Second time remap on same car for more power got a 0-60 time of 6.0 with traction off also delimited but never took it past 150 mph needed faster tyres. Took second map of as it was too juicy but the power delivery was amazing, very responsive.

turbos benifit so much from a remap especially the diesel's with the economy!

 

[Usy]

Hey all,

Me and my friend fitted a Racechip (Non Pro) version chip, to my W203 C220 CDI on a '01. So, 143hp to 178hp and 315nm to 378nm. And boy does that thing fly now.

There's lag from 0-2k revs, but when the turbo kick's in, it's gone. The engine is quieter aswell, I only took it for a quick blast so will have to check tommorow. But my first impressions of it are excellent.

 

[Merc-Man]

Is it a DPT box if you don't mind me asking? I had one fitted to my C320 CDI by one of their fitters 4 weeks ago and it cost £350. The reason I chose this box is that it only increases the BHP and torque moderately and not as aggressive as other boxes in the market. I also considered the fact that their boxes are approved by 30 odd MB dealers in the Netherlands.

Hi jose , i can't remember if it was the DPT box that i got sent ( i ordered it online from paramount-performance ) and the packaging is long gone ... its got DieselTuningNL written on the side of it , if its the same one as you've got i'm sure you won't be dissapointed with it

 

[markbe]

S600Limo.DMS

I had my S600Limo upgraded by DMS and it has made a radical difference.
Figures are from my RaceLogic Performance Box at Bruntingthorpe.
0-30=.. 1.8
0-60=.. 4.0
0-100=.8.6
0-150=.19.1

As you can see as good as if not better than a S65AMGLimo.
Fuel; round town- 17mpg cruising at 70mph- 25.8mpg.

Mark.

 

[jose]

Hi jose , i can't remember if it was the DPT box that i got sent ( i ordered it online from paramount-performance ) and the packaging is long gone ... its got DieselTuningNL written on the side of it , if its the same one as you've got i'm sure you won't be dissapointed with it

Hi Merc-man, yes I believe it's the same box made by Essing Dieseltuning Welkom | Essing Dieseltuning BV
So far I'm very happy with the box.

 

[W220alter]

I had my S600Limo upgraded by DMS and it has made a radical difference.

Mark, we are now a few years on; did your gearbox survive? It should have, as it is the same as in the S65, which can handle 1000Nm. I am just curious as I want to do the same to my S600

 

[W220alter]

Anyone else with tuning experiences?

 

[mercedesmanleed]

As above did it work any problems noticed, was there a difference in preformance and fuel delivery.
And what make was fitted and would you recommend it........

Had remap done today on my e class 270cdi and i notice a difference its much quicker and smother to drive

 

[W220alter]

there is another thread on teaming up for cheaper tuning with Angel: http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/engine/103523-group-buy-re-maps-12.html

I note the considerable price difference between DMS (1400 + Vat) and RemapScience (150). All other Tuners I checked are somewhere between the two. Are they all comparable?

I read many times "I only give my car to a company I trust", but is more £ also more peace of mind? There is a lot of witchcraft involved here as I cannot "scientifically" decide if a cheap offer is worse, equivalent or even better.

They all have software with standard engine maps and they all claim to modify these for the specific car. Will a wall built by a £300 per day bricklayer last longer than one who charges £70? Will expensive private surgery be better than the NHS? Will an expensive tax accountant save more money? Is Windows 7 implemented by an expensive consultant better than what I can do myself?

 

[The Pan Man]

I have read this thread with some interest I don't look here as often as I used to but I feel thet there is a lot of misinformation and guess work being spoken IMO.

Frome EXPERIENCE on Turbo Diesels there is a huge gain to be had and as rightly or nearly rightly has been mentioned there could be a gearbox issue, however if you use a well known remapper with a rolling road and dyno and MB gearbox knowledge he will remap the gearbox software to suit.

Now two other items which are relevent. First off if you have a remap YOU WILL USE THE EXTRA POWER it's only natural. Secondly budget for at least 1 extra set of rear tyres per year as remapped turbo diesels shread them at quite a rate.

PS don't forget the insurance issues with some CHECK before before you remap as your insurance company might NOT insure modifyed cars. I hope at least some of you find this useful.

 

[Mercington]

Petrol cars non aspirated are a waste of time being chipped, others are a hit and miss.

Not True.

My last four cars have been done and have all benefitted from it, apart from a Cooper S (which you can't boost via chipping anyway) they have all been petrol atmo's. I also intend to get the CLK done, as it does have a beneficial effect on both driveability and fuel consumption

Sure, if you're looking for loads more power then you need to be looking at turbo cars where they can up the boost, and quite often shorten the longevity

Also, unless you like throwing money away, I wouldn't bother telling your insurance company, it's just an excuse for them to up the premium. For them to tell they would need to plug the car in to a diagnostic machine, read the installed map, compare it to a standard map and spot the difference. I'm sure they could in theory, in reality it will never happen...

 

[A210AMG]

^ I'm not sure I would not tell the insurance company.

If your invloved in a bad accident and your car is taken away, I would think they will check that the car is as insured.

Different wheels, spoilers, modified chip are all things that should be declared?

I'm about to fit a little box of goodies to my car but made sure before hand I had quotes with it listed as part of the insurance.

Do you want to find yourself with no insurance for having a modified car? Any way they can get out of a claim then they will.

For the sake of £100 or so is that really worth the risk?