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Anybody still using pagers?

Never heard of the Taiwanese Gold Apolo, but I would advise against buying their shares right now :D
Just heard their boss on the radio....apparently they did not make them......but licenced another company to use there brand. Not uncommon practice....my old Polaroid TV had never been in a Polaroid factory......the Polaroid name was just licenced to a Chinese factory.....not saying the Chinese had anything to do with those pagers......but who knows.
 
Allegedly thousand exploding dramatically across Lebanon this afternoon.

Apart from the immediate damage, this is going to be a long-term serious reputitional risk for anyone vaguely connected to Hezbollah.

"Try explaining that to the missus...."
 
Benji, I only told you to blow the bloody doors off.
Seriously though, it's absolute shitt for the innocent bystanders.
 
Benji, I only told you to blow the bloody doors off.
Seriously though, it's absolute shitt for the innocent bystanders.

It's massively preferable to fighting terrorists among civilian population using conventional weapons.

The alternative would have been for the Israeli Airforce to bomb the Hezbullah installations in Beirut (which they have previously done during the 2006 war).

In fact, what Israel (allegedly) did is a very clever way of targeting terrorists while minimising civilian casualties.

(Of course, some will argue that Israel is at fault here and that Hezbullah should be allowed to continue launching rockets at Israel's northern cities with impunity)

As a side note, the timing isn't coincidental, Israel just revealed that it foiled two separate Hezbullah plots to assassinate retired Israeli generals using car bombs - Israel's message to Hezbullah is that they too can play this game.
 
Intially I thought the news was about yesterday's destruction of Hezbollah
It looks as though Israel took the attempts by Hezbollah to kill two of her ex, top people wound them up

In every peace negations with Hamas, reports state that Hamas always insists on the "safety" of its leader and right-hand people.

The Pager attacks and the two-way radio attacks today have on the whole resulted in over
95% of injuries/deaths of Hezbollah operatives/supporters and extended families.

The news is banging about an "all-out war." On the contrary in my view as these detonations successfully targeted at thousands of Hezbollah
operatives may just bring them to their senses (or more likely confuse them when a massive IDF attack comes tonight, early morning)that it was time to stop lobbing missiles daily basis into northern Israel. However, I'm now expecting a massive IDF attack on all known missile/terror hideouts before Hezbollah starts to move the rockets out.

For the record, both sides are wrong in what is and was happening before Oct 7th. I support the people of all countries, ie the ordinary people who always have the most to lose, if not everything as political leaders and top operatives sit in bunkers/mansions and drive around in fancy cars.
 
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Those that purchased the Pagers and walkie-talkies for Hezbollah must be feeling a bit pissed off for paying
good money for the devices and then this happened yesterday and today.

Can they get their money back?
 
Whichever way you look at it that is one stunning piece of intelligence work. The planning to execute the interception and adaptation of those devices was tip top..... And then to have doctored the back up devices too. If this was a movie it would be too far fetched.
 
Those that purchased the Pagers and walkie-talkies for Hezbollah must be feeling a bit pissed off for paying
good money for the devices and then this happened yesterday and today.

Can they get their money back?

I think that very soon they will need their heads back (literally). People are likely being dragged out of their beds as we speak and taken to places from where they shall never return.
 
Whichever way you look at it that is one stunning piece of intelligence work. The planning to execute the interception and adaptation of those devices was tip top..... And then to have doctored the back up devices too. If this was a movie it would be too far fetched.

If the analysts are correct and this secret capability was meant to be the opening shot of an Israeli military operation to obliterate Hezbullah, then Mr Hassan Nasrallah can celebrate having just dodged a massive bullet.
 
Just heard a surgeon over there being interviewed on the radio saying he removed more human eyes in one day than he had removed in the last 25 years.

Pager goes off , timer starts , bloke looks directly at little screen . BANG right in the face !

I would have been one of the lesser injured or not at all , when I had a similar pager decades ago when it went off it was always ignored for a while. Me not being a medical professional or a first responder the message was never that urgent.

Israel is not admitting responsibility ...yeah right.
 
Just heard a surgeon over there being interviewed on the radio saying he removed more human eyes in one day than he had removed in the last 25 years.

Pager goes off , timer starts , bloke looks directly at little screen . BANG right in the face !

I would have been one of the lesser injured or not at all , when I had a similar pager decades ago when it went off it was always ignored for a while. Me not being a medical professional or a first responder the message was never that urgent.

Israel is not admitting responsibility ...yeah right.

The situation must be horrific for ordinary Lebanese in Beirut right now. One could argue that members of Hezbullah are legitimate targets, but the people of Lebanon did not ask nor want Hezbullah to conduct its attacks on Israel from Lebanese soil. Lebanon has already twice been on the receiving end of a war between pro-Plestinian terrorist organisations and Israel, in 1982 and in 2006, and on both occasions much suffering was inflicted on ordinary Lebanese citizens who had no involvement in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
 
Israel's message to Hezbullah is that they too can play this game.
But will the "game" ever end?

Both sides are arrogantly intransigent and have been for decades. Both sides are guilty of the deaths of many thousands of innocents and we are now so far along in the "blame the other side scenario" that it can never be unravelled without both dealing with unpleasant truths to find anything remotely resembling a long term solution.
 
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But will the "game" ever end?

Both sides are arrogantly intransigent and have been for decades. Both sides are guilty of the deaths of many thousands of innocents and we are now so far along in the "blame the other side scenario" that it can never be unravelled without both dealing with unpleasant truths to find anything remotely resembling a long term solution.

That's not quite how things are.

The Palestinians in the West Bank and in Gaza do indeed have legitimate grievances gainst Israel, and vice versa, leading to a never-ending 'blame game'.

However, Israel has no quarrel with Hezbollah (and the same goes for the Houties in Yemen, BTW). Hezbollah has been attacking Israel incessantly 'in support of the Palestinians'.

Lebanon - as a country - has no territorial demands from Israel, i.e. there is no land dispute between Lebanon and Israel. In fact, a recent dispute over gas-rich waters was resolved peacefully via international mediation.

But Hezbollah does not represent Lebanon or the Lebanese government, instead it is an armed militia that made it their goal to have a fight with Israel from Lebanese soil, much to the dismay of the majority of Lebanese people. Make no mistake about it, the average Lebanese citizen is no friend of Israel, but equally they do not underhand why it is their destiny to be on the receiving side of a conflict between two warring parties (Israel and the Palestinians) that have nothing to do with Lebanon.

And, they do not forget the two Israeli military incursions into Lebanon - in 1982 and then again in 2006 - in both cases, it was to root-out terrorists who attacked Israel, but inevitably these caused much suffering to ordinary Lebanese.

Israel's desire has always been for a 'quiet' northern border. As said, there is no land dispute with Lebanon, and absolutely no reason for cross-border hostilities. The recent spate of violence started on 7th October last year, when Hezbollah was instructed by Iran to attack Israel and start a bombing campaign in support of Hamas's struggle in Gaza.

Since then, thousands of rockets were fired by Hezbollah from Lebanon into Israel, demolishing most of Israel's northern towns, and causing mass evacuation of civilian population on both sides of the border.

In fact, if you follow the news, up to very recently Israel has been desperately trying to reach a diplomatic settlement with Hezbollah through intermediaries, because the last thing that Israel needed in the past 10 months was to open a second front given that its military was already being overstretched in Gaza.

However, for Hassan Nassrallah (Hezbollah's leader) it is impossible to cease hostilities with Israel while the war in Gaza is ongoing, because it will be seen around the Arab world as accepting defeat. For him, it is all about not losing face (and you have to wonder how is this policy working for him now?).

And so the war in Lebanon rages on, with ordinary Lebanese once-again caught in the crossfire.

As for a 'long-term' solution, this can only come when Hezbollah is disarmed and the Lebanese Army takes back control of the country as the only armed military force. Lebanon has a good chance of reaching amicable diplomatic agreements with Israel over all issues, as it did over the gas fields. The Lebanese government and the Lebanese people have zero interest in entertaining an armed conflict with its neighbour in the south, instead they would much prefer to simply express their support for the Palestinians via internationally-acceptable non-violent civilised diplomatic means.
 
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