Are there any good dealers left?

[HappytalkAgain]

Buying has changed dramatically over the years. When I bought my van last year the initial enquiry was made with a message via the Autotrader app. This then progressed to bouncing emails back & forth.

The first time I spoke to a salesperson was when he collected me from the train station on collection day.

It suited me fine as I’m not one for face to face and I really feel uncomfortable with the ‘Sir’ or ‘Mr’.

 

[Darrell]

Buying has changed dramatically over the years. When I bought my van last year the initial enquiry was made with a message via the Autotrader app. This then progressed to bouncing emails back & forth.

The first time I spoke to a salesperson was when he collected me from the train station on collection day.

It suited me fine as I’m not one for face to face and I really feel uncomfortable with the ‘Sir’ or ‘Mr’.

This is the way forward tbh. Which means all those ‘up their own ****’ dealers need to be worried.

 

[ALFAitalia]

........ and I really feel uncomfortable with the ‘Sir’ or ‘Mr’.

Me too....in any sort of sales situation.....one of the first things I do is get them to stop it and call me Dean!

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Me too....in any sort of sales situation.....one of the first things I do is get them to stop it and call me Dean!

Of course Sir. I mean Dean.

 

[DGAMG63S]

If you mean that used prices on their cars are softening (as per the rest of the used car market) then I it won’t affect Porsche too much because Porsche sell those cars at list price with huge demand. It’s on the used market that the prices have gone nuts with people paying a lot more (“overs”) for a secondhand car than a new car.

Even if all of the speculators and investors are removed from the market entirely as a result of economic conditions, as long as Porsche continue to design, build and sell GT cars in the same mould as they do today then I’m sure that they will still sell out as there will be enough serious car collectors to keep buying them.

There might be a small impact on volumes of their non-911 range because Porsche main dealers might not be able to insist with such zeal that buying a Macan, Cayenne, Panamera and Taycan will put you in good stead for receiving the 911 GT3 allocation, but demand for even those should remain fairy bouyant.

Off tangent and separate to the OP's comments (with apologies), but Porsche like Mercedes and others have driven list price too high. The new SL in all engine spec's is just way off beam on price as a new car and there are some chunky discounts on new Taycan's right now, and that's coming home to roost at resale time or on the residual.

I think any dealer ought to be working hard for a sale, but MB set the margin and price and the general dealer focus is poor in too many cases. Don't Merc or the dealer owners mystery shop their own dealers?....I'd do it for them!. As for dealer service, my local dealer is fairly hopeless so I travel a 100 miles each way for my new AMG's as I prefer to talk to a MB main dealer who still has someone with product knowledge and an enthusiasm for the cars and the deal. When that goes so do I.

 

[Fastcar155]

If you mean that used prices on their cars are softening (as per the rest of the used car market) then I it won’t affect Porsche too much because Porsche sell those cars at list price with huge demand. It’s on the used market that the prices have gone nuts with people paying a lot more (“overs”) for a secondhand car than a new car.

Even if all of the speculators and investors are removed from the market entirely as a result of economic conditions, as long as Porsche continue to design, build and sell GT cars in the same mould as they do today then I’m sure that they will still sell out as there will be enough serious car collectors to keep buying them.

There might be a small impact on volumes of their non-911 range because Porsche main dealers might not be able to insist with such zeal that buying a Macan, Cayenne, Panamera and Taycan will put you in good stead for receiving the 911 GT3 allocation, but demand for even those should remain fairy bouyant.

Hi Bobby Dazzler:

At present Porsche GT3 are easily obtained as by the adverts in the motor press.

Desperate owners take desperate measures to sell their cars that are on financial packages As an other member stated most customers are really only interested in the monthly repayments.

I do hope I am wrong in my assumptions re Porsches pricing in general.

At present I won't purchase a car as my 2015/16 C207E400 is worth £12000 with a full Mercedes Benz service history.

The car cost me £50000 plus when purchased new in the backend of 2015.

I am not going to throw more money out of the window to purchase a 73 plate car.

I have sat on the later E400 equivalent and while the interior is larger as is the car in general it's not for me.

It's a mad mad world !

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

At present Porsche GT3 are easily obtained as by the adverts in the motor press.

You’re referring to used GT3 models sold on the second hand market, rather than brand new GT3 supplied through Official Porsche Centres. Many speculators (“investors”) are selling their cars at a time that new speculators (“investors”) are keeping their hands in their pockets, and hence even GT product values are softening.

Porsche will still be able to sell their brand new GT product allocations, no problem at all, however as I mentioned it will be their volume products which take the hit. People who typically buy a Cayenne or regular 911 will continue to buy, however the GT buyers may no longer be encouraged (ie forced) to buy as several Macans, Panameras, Cayennes to receive their GT allocation.

 

[sgregory124]

Little bit of an update for this thread.

I've found a potential suitable car at an indy garage and arranged a viewing and drive on Sunday. Car looks to have everything I want, although it has the comfort seats and not the buckets (although I'm sure I could get used to them ). Anyway, it may or may not be 'the one'....watch space.

 

[HappytalkAgain]

Little bit of an update for this thread.

I've found a potential suitable car at an indy garage and arranged a viewing and drive on Sunday. Car looks to have everything I want, although it has the comfort seats and not the buckets (although I'm sure I could get used to them ). Anyway, it may or may not be 'the one'....watch space.

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Awesome Colour with Night Pack.

 

[davymead]

Spectacular vehicle, and I’m not in the least envious.

 

[Ted]

That does look good.
Very good

 

[23 Romeo Tango]

Very nice.
I hope it’s ticks all of your boxes and you go for it. Selenite Grey Magno is an amazing colour and I’m sure you know how amazing the 213 is.

I hope you’ve got your earplugs at hand, here comes the matte police to put it down.

 

[Fastcar155]

You’re referring to used GT3 models sold on the second hand market, rather than brand new GT3 supplied through Official Porsche Centres. Many speculators (“investors”) are selling their cars at a time that new speculators (“investors”) are keeping their hands in their pockets, and hence even GT product values are softening.

Porsche will still be able to sell their brand new GT product allocations, no problem at all, however as I mentioned it will be their volume products which take the hit. People who typically buy a Cayenne or regular 911 will continue to buy, however the GT buyers may no longer be encouraged (ie forced) to buy as several Macans, Panameras, Cayennes to receive their GT allocation.

Hi , yes you are correct but these cars have very low mileage on them and a couple have zero mileage.

 

[Fastcar155]

I’ve had to deal with a Citroen dealership and a VW dealership over the last 4 weeks. The last time I dealt with a U.K. dealer was about 17 years ago when I got a new Transit.

Both Citroen and VW have been f*****g useless.

That good !

 

[sgregory124]

Another update.

I drove the Selenite grey car in the pictures yesterday. Got to say, on seeing the car up close for the first time, I was seriously impressed - the road presence alone took me by surprise. All in all a very well appointed car, the seats (comfort) were amazing and the drive, as many of you will know already was incredible.

I found it devastatingly quick on what was not the best day for a drive (soaking wet roads!) - which just made it all the more impressive.

But there were a couple of issues which mean I won't be buying this particular car. The first is that it is WAY too quiet, being a 2019 car with GPF's, it simply isn't vocal enough. The second was that it had one or two chips and scratches in the matte finish, which from what I've read is a nightmare to sort out (easily/relatively cheaply) versus a car with a regular finish.

The good news is I'm looking at two more possibles, both 2018 cars, one in particular is another identically finished Selenite car, slightly more miles but has what looks like double the spec of the car I drove - and its cheaper by 8 grand.

However, I threw myself a massive curveball on the way out of the garage yesterday. Tucked up in the corner of the showroom, looking very menacing and spectacular for a car of its age, was a 2009 Nissan GTR (Black Edition) with only 25,000 miles on it. The car was at Stage 2 (Litchfield '4.25' apparently) and the salesman, being skilled in his craft, handily got the keys and started it up. Not sure I can describe the sound it made but sufficed to say, my heart was well and truly torn (it might still be, not sure yet!).

I know it's not a V8 and it's not a Mercedes etc. But I've always had the itch for a GTR - despite their image, I know if I bought it I would look like the textbook, partially greying 40-something having a mid-life crisis, but it still gave me a lot of food for thought......anyway, the search goes on!

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Another update.

I drove the Selenite grey car in the pictures yesterday. Got to say, on seeing the car up close for the first time, I was seriously impressed - the road presence alone took me by surprise. All in all a very well appointed car, the seats (comfort) were amazing and the drive, as many of you will know already was incredible.

I found it devastatingly quick on what was not the best day for a drive (soaking wet roads!) - which just made it all the more impressive.

But there were a couple of issues which mean I won't be buying this particular car. The first is that it is WAY too quiet, being a 2019 car with GPF's, it simply isn't vocal enough. The second was that it had one or two chips and scratches in the matte finish, which from what I've read is a nightmare to sort out (easily/relatively cheaply) versus a car with a regular finish.

The good news is I'm looking at two more possibles, both 2018 cars, one in particular is another identically finished Selenite car, slightly more miles but has what looks like double the spec of the car I drove - and its cheaper by 8 grand.

However, I threw myself a massive curveball on the way out of the garage yesterday. Tucked up in the corner of the showroom, looking very menacing and spectacular for a car of its age, was a 2009 Nissan GTR (Black Edition) with only 25,000 miles on it. The car was at Stage 2 (Litchfield '4.25' apparently) and the salesman, being skilled in his craft, handily got the keys and started it up. Not sure I can describe the sound it made but sufficed to say, my heart was well and truly torn (it might still be, not sure yet!).

I know it's not a V8 and it's not a Mercedes etc. But I've always had the itch for a GTR - despite their image, I know if I bought it I would look like the textbook, partially greying 40-something having a mid-life crisis, but it still gave me a lot of food for thought......anyway, the search goes on!

2018 E 63 in GLOSS selenite is the way to go, you can have it wrapped in satin PPF if you really want the Magno look.

 

[DanE350cdi]

I think after a while the GTR would be a bit disappointing, the build quality is not on the same level as a MB, my friend went from an rs6 to a skyline and regretted it rather quickly. But I am sure you are always aware. Either way they are both very capable cars.

 

[Fastcar155]

2018 E 63 in GLOSS selenite is the way to go, you can have it wrapped in satin PPF if you really want the Magno look.

Hi , What does your insurance say about wrapping your potential car ?

 

[ALFAitalia]

Aaaaaaaarrrrrggghhh!

Sorry....insurance for mods was mentioned!

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Hi , What does your insurance say about wrapping your potential car ?

Every insurer is different. Best speak to your insurer if you are considering having it done. Take care to describe PPF as PPF and not a wrap as the two are different.