Aston Martin AMV8 out of the question...

[glojo]

Would you buy Fiesta when you could have a Polo? No. Would you buy a carcinogenic burger when you could have steak? No. But there are lots of people who do

Off to the pub now.... have a good weekend all.

Your always off drinking!!! Is there something you might like to discuss?

I would buy the latest Focus RS over a Golf GTi but that's me, and thinking about the Polo, Fiesta thing, I think I would

Have a nice week-end,
John

 

[Pietre]

I bet his beer was delivered in a Ford truck..........

 

[Pietre]

And another thing.......... Aldous Huxley was a great fan of Ford. It was a major part in the foundations for Brave New World with the discovery of cloning in "The year of our Ford ..........." when you could have been an Alpha, Beta or Epsilon.

 

[Alfie]

I bet his beer was delivered in a Ford truck..........

Doubtful as it was a very nice bottle of Rioja, some years old. Had to get a cab home after lunch Hic. The bus back the next morning was awful

Much debate ensued in the wine bar about Moto GP but thats for another thread!

Still wouldnt buy an Aston even they were bought by Mercedes and rebadged.

Guess what guys.....I'm off home now to a nice cold bottle of wine and a barbecue in the garden. Its been a long day today. Have a pleasant evening all....

 

[glojo]

Still wouldnt buy an Aston even they were bought by Mercedes and rebadged.....

I'm a bit behind with my TV viewing and have just watched the Top Gear review of the Aston Martin convertible. Mega impressed, what a beatiful looking vehicle.


John

 

[peterchurch]

1). Its a Ford really.

Yeah and Ferrari are just suped up Fiats and any MBs built after the merger are just rebadged US junk?? Is this the sweeping generalisation we are following with this???

I've watched you blindly bashing other brands for a while now and I would say that your faith in the fact that only one car maker can build good cars shows a lack of imagination. Yes Fords are good for a laugh just like Skodas etc, but the fact is, they have improved, and MBs are now common as trees round here. So where is the mark of distinction and taste for owning a car from a brand that on most days out numbers fords et al in most of the carparks I use?

I have always enjoyed driving cars that I can't lose in a crowd, and an Aston is definitely one of those...

Think before you post, because, I would think you are smarter than the above comment and to be honest the one thing that supercars need, is that mass produced reliablity that used to alude them.

Maff, I would go for the Aston as at the end of the day you are only funding the depreciation and given the stunning looks and waiting list you could have it for a year, for very little You have probably lost more on the CL than you will on the AMV8... But then again you could always go for the new Jag XK8 instead

 

[pammy]

Yes Fords are good for a laugh just like Skodas etc, but the fact is, they have improved, and MBs are now common as trees round here. So where is the mark of distinction and taste for owning a car from a brand that on most days out numbers fords et al in most of the carparks I use?

Interesting how Top Gear reviewed the new BMW 3 Series last night and compared it to the mondeo saying what an excellent car the Mondeo is. You only have to look how popular Fords are. No they're not very different and they're a safe bet - but an AM is not a Ford Mondeo - it's an AM and there is something very evry special about an AM. The smell of the leather, the sound of the engine - glorious It's parent company might be Ford but that's about as close to looking and feeling like run of the mill Ford you'll get.

 

[Alfie]

Yeah and Ferrari are just suped up Fiats and any MBs built after the merger are just rebadged US junk?? Is this the sweeping generalisation we are following with this???

I've watched you blindly bashing other brands for a while now and I would say that your faith in the fact that only one car maker can build good cars shows a lack of imagination. Yes Fords are good for a laugh just like Skodas etc, but the fact is, they have improved, and MBs are now common as trees round here. So where is the mark of distinction and taste for owning a car from a brand that on most days out numbers fords et al in most of the carparks I use?

Read some of my earlier posts in other threads. I am not blind to the fact that other manufacturers make good cars. I have sung the praises of Ferrari, Porsche, BMW and VW. Sadly there are not many manufacturers who make what I would call good cars. Ford make rubbish cars always have and probably always will. They may look good briefly and perform well briefly but their build quality is appauling. I have owned two in my life (long ago), one I bought new and it was rusty with zero miles on the clock! Never rectified. The other was fun in a straight line but rusty and unrelaible after a short while. Even the boy-racers around towns these days have ditched ford for subaru's et al. As for Skoda, they were good for a laugh once but nowadays they are a far better car than a Ford.

I have always enjoyed driving cars that I can't lose in a crowd, and an Aston is definitely one of those...

Think before you post, because, I would think you are smarter than the above comment and to be honest the one thing that supercars need, is that mass produced reliablity that used to alude them.

I think there is a compliment in there somewhere Thank you. I agree that some supercars do need the mass produced reliability. However some already have it and the the others wont get it from Ford

This is after all a Mercedes forum and I am a big fan of Mercedes. Even though there might have been a dip in the quality they are still miles better than most, not all, others.

 

[glojo]

Hi Alfie,
I have not had the priviledge of inspecting newer Ferrari's to look at the quality of the paintwork. However older Ferrari's could learn a great deal from most, if not all car manufacturers regarding the paintwork on there excellently engineered vehicles, Ford are\were light years ahead of them. Quite clearly your previous experience has perhaps influenced your judgement. We can all remember those dreadful years when cars seemed to rust even quicker than the modern Mercedes-Benz 210 series.

I am passionate about this wonderful marque, but hopefully not blinkered by it.

Apart from Clarkson's latest acquisition Ford's are okee dokee.

Kind regards,
John

 

[Alfie]

I recently posted the following;

Other downsides;

1). Its a Ford really.
2). Build quality aint what it should be
3). Reliability wont be like that of a Merc
4). Options which are standard on most cars of that ilk cost on the Aston

Its a bit like buying a Lamborghini when you could by a Ferrari. Both good cars but one has a lot more pedigree and heritage to it than the other.

Stick with the CL55 or go up to a CL65, far better cars.

Just my opinion.

For this a coward, yes coward, gave me negative feedback anonymously at 06:30PM yesterday. Did they not read the line 'Just my opinion'? Clearly not. Now let me think who could that have possibly been hmmmmmmmm......................... Not difficult to work it out.

If people are going to use feedback ratings as a way of cowardly expressing their views then this forum isnt working. The idea of a forum is an exchange of views, good or bad. Whether one agrees or not they could at least say so openly, politley and with reasoned arguments instead of being a coward.

 

[glojo]

For this a coward, yes coward, gave me negative feedback anonymously at 06:30PM yesterday. Did they not read the line 'Just my opinion'? Clearly not. Now let me think who could that have possibly been hmmmmmmmm......................... Not difficult to work it out.

Hi Alfie,
I concur with everything you have said. This forum is all about freedom of speech. I continually (too much at times) express my opinion and folks may agree or disagree.

I have had a very few (One I think??) negative feedback, but unless your post is insulting or downright rude, then surely it does NOT deserve a personal hidden criticism of you.

I would like to think we are all mature enough to publically disagree with observations that are expressed?

Could the moderators please tell us what this 'Negative Feedback' means or actually does to our reputations?

Hopefully a minus 1 is nullified by a plus one 1?

Go for another drink Alfie and take care,
John

 

[Flyer]

For this a coward, yes coward, gave me negative feedback anonymously at 06:30PM yesterday. Did they not read the line 'Just my opinion'? Clearly not. Now let me think who could that have possibly been hmmmmmmmm......................... Not difficult to work it out.

No idea who it could be (mods might know), but best not to make assumptions. Could just have been someone passing through ...

<edit>Doh!</edit>

 

[peterchurch]

I recently posted the following;

For this a coward, yes coward, gave me negative feedback anonymously at 06:30PM yesterday. Did they not read the line 'Just my opinion'? Clearly not. Now let me think who could that have possibly been hmmmmmmmm......................... Not difficult to work it out.

No You are right I did leave a neg and I would have signed it however I was using a my touch pad and I slipped before I got to write the comment Sorry about that. I normally always sign feedback, but as you said It was not hard to figure out who did it, and I was dragged off to feed the kids before I could correct it.

Boy racers have gone for scoobies and the Jap pack cars over fords because they are a different type of car alltogether, they are set as a good base for high performance while most fords are set to fetch shopping etc...

I have always swapped brands every time I change my car because I enjoy the change... We have 2 cars in the house at any one time so I have had the following in the last 8/9 years. (Theres a star value for each as well)

2 renaults ( Cabrios 1.6 * replaced with a 2.0 for free *****)
1 Saab 93 lpt Cabrio ***** (very good shame I was a lease or I would have kept that one for a long time)
1 Peugeot (106) * (crap and muppets kept braking into it )
1 Mondeo (on loan while I got my honda and yes this one was a total dog!)
1 Honda (Accord 2.0 se) ***** (70K and NO faults ever !)
1 Volvo (T5 2.3 CDI) (Wow! fast, Comfortable and all the toys in the pram !) *****
1 MR2 (roadster) ***** (every day in that car was a riot I watched a very good company crash while I had this car and no one in the office could figure how I always turned up to the office with a cheesy grin on my face 70K of fun)
1 CRV (Prem) **** ( good, reliable but a little too under powered after the T5)
1 Mercedes (SL) *** (Nice to drive, But has leaked, failed, rattled and chipped too often to concider a keeper )

In addition I have had a few Mercedes C, CLK, E on hire for business use.

I drove a Boxter S the weekend and I was struck how bad the car was
Yes they are fast and I scared the bejesus out of the poor salesman. But pehaps the myth is greater than the car itself. My perception has changed since the last time I drove one, (pre MR2) and I cant say I smiled very much. Oddly I had a quick look at an S2000 after and apart from a badge the car was far better (IMO) I am going to get an extended test drive and see how it behaves for a week, and that might be the end of the SL...

While I have enjoyed my SL and the other MBs I have had the use of, I have not really found the SL to be a car I will regret leaving unlike others I have had. I still remember the day that I got a ride in a 10 year old W123 that trounced the pants off my 4 year old Cavalier. The competition have since risen to this challange.

There was a compliment in there, as I normaly find your posts to be very good, and nearly always enjoyable but I have picked up on the fact that you have an unatural hatred of fords, and could not let the AM thing stand un challenged.

Regards,

Peter

 

[Alfie]

No You are right I did leave a neg and I would have signed it however I was using a my touch pad and I slipped before I got to write the comment Sorry about that. I normally always sign feedback, but as you said It was not hard to figure out who did it, and I was dragged off to feed the kids before I could correct it.
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There was a compliment in there, as I normaly find your posts to be very good, and nearly always enjoyable but I have picked up on the fact that you have an unatural hatred of fords, and could not let the AM thing stand un challenged.

Regards,

Peter

I thank you for your honesty and your compliment. I often bear grudges but not in this instance as I admire your honesty and respect your opinions even if I dont always agree with them.

As John suggested, I'm off for a drink....................Just a small one this time

Regards,

 

[Ian B Walker]

I thank you for your honesty and your compliment. I often bear grudges but not in this instance as I admire your honesty and respect your opinions even if I dont always agree with them.

As John suggested, I'm off for a drink....................Just a small one this time

Regards,

Result.........for a moment or two thought it was going to be handbags at dawn. But that is Pammy's domaine. Sorry back to the thread.

 

[Satch]

I find myself driving quite a few hire cars and yes, the bog standard Mondeo features large.

They drive pretty well in terms of getting from A to B in reasonable comfort and the new one seems better in terms of fit & finish than earlier models. But you have to accept that they are made to a price and one of the main design objectives is that they get through the warranty period without causing grief to a leasing company, fleet manager or costing Ford a packet in claims.

Volume cars are treated and financed as commodities, not durables. I think the current Mondeo and the Focus are about the best of the bunch, but if I were to own one I would have as much emotional attachment to it as a washing machine.

The problems start when we foolish car owners start to think that certain cars are something special: long term durable items to be cherised and enjoyed. We expect the makers & delaers to share that view, which of course they do not.

There are a few cars which do fall into that "special" catagory to be sure but sadly a diminishing number. So I am coming to the view that next time may be better to buy a boring nearly new Ford Mondeo Estate from a supersite and spend the dosh saved on something special for the weekend.

Who knows, wicked depreciation may make an AM affordable

 

[peterchurch]

Volume cars are treated and financed as commodities, not durables. I think the current Mondeo and the Focus are about the best of the bunch, but if I were to own one I would have as much emotional attachment to it as a washing machine.

LOL I couldn't agree more I wandered round for weeks muttering about having my soul stolen when I had the sodding Mondeo forced on me
"Stubborn Sulking Brat" was one of the nicer remarks made by the missus

The problems start when we foolish car owners start to think that certain cars are something special: long term durable items to be cherised and enjoyed. We expect the makers & delaers to share that view, which of course they do not.

I also agree that the Porsche or MB takes a bashing where other makers would be let off, But I suppose that I expect better/More from them

There are a few cars which do fall into that "special" catagory to be sure but sadly a diminishing number. So I am coming to the view that next time may be better to buy a boring nearly new Ford Mondeo Estate from a supersite and spend the dosh saved on something special for the weekend.

Nah ! buy cars to drive them and LOVE them I cannot think of a worst fate than owning a super car only to die in a car accident in a run of the mill car (god forbid it should happen to any one here) To be honest that mentality is probably going to cost me the chance of a 911 because Porsche seem to want them back with no miles on them while I like to give cars back panting and ragged to bits

Who knows, wicked depreciation may make an AM affordable

I wish But I think the Jag is going to be more likely, although once its released I would be suprised if too many people pay the extra for the AMV8

Alfie you have taken things very well Enjoy your drink

Regards,

Peter

 

[grober]

aston martin v8

I waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant one! http://exodus.interoutemediaservice...3-845d-4d09-94da-5cec766e013d&delivery=stream

 

[sportyreptile]

I've been lucky enough to drive a few of the Nmes mentioned in this thread and if you'll let me indulge for a while:-

Ferrari
driven a 308 and 355, fantastic cars a real drivers experience but the looks you get from Jo Public are "flash toss*r" expression written all over there face

Ford
Driven RS200,RS1800,Mexico,Cossie,Escort Estate, Mondeo new and old. They were ok, new Mondeo is and was a good car. Jo Public has no percievable reaction to you what so ever.

Porsche
driven a 2.7RS 911 and a 993 version, as Ferrari but add reliability and useability every day.

MB
Driven W111,W108,W123,W140,C140. Owned W124 and W140.
Fantastic cosseting cars that make you feel a million dollars. Jo Public's reaction is "restrained approval tinged with mild jealously" look on their faces.

Aston Martin
Driven AMV8 Virage. WOW, makes you feel like a Zillionaire and Jo Public think your James Bond. :bannana: :bannana:

 

[Alfie]

I waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant one! http://exodus.interoutemediaservice...3-845d-4d09-94da-5cec766e013d&delivery=stream

Saw a silver one of these last week in Woking. Had to have a second look to see what it was. Have to admit it looked good and sounded awesome. But I still wouldnt buy one