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BB512 or Countach

BB512 or Countach ?

  • BB512

    Votes: 11 55.0%

  • Countach

    Votes: 9 45.0%
  • Total voters
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HappytalkAgain said:
The only part I’d agree with you on was the rear light clusters. Like something from an Ifor Williams trailer. 🥴

But OBVIOUSLY it’s a glorious looking car nonetheless.
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Yes, we hid them away behind s full width rear grille. They were off a very unglamorous car, but I forget what now....but they were type approved.
What people outside don't realise is the cost to make bespoke lights in small numbers, and then pay to get them type approved. New headlamps can cost £1m for a prototype pair, before you even start to put them in to low volume production :eek:
So the front lamps were standard double 5" sealed beams behind some trick drop down covers and the wing mirrors were from a Citroen CX.
Again the cost of bespoke mirrors is as eye-watering as lamps.

The styling obviously takes influence from previous D and E types brought as up to date as the 80's ever got ;)
Just take the plastic surgery on the 80's Countach as proof of that!
 
Mactech said:
Yes, we hid them away behind s full width rear grille. They were off a very unglamorous car, but I forget what now....but they were type approved.
What people outside don't realise is the cost to make bespoke lights in small numbers, and then pay to get them type approved. New headlamps can cost £1m for a prototype pair, before you even start to put them in to low volume production :eek:
So the front lamps were standard double 5" sealed beams behind some trick drop down covers and the wing mirrors were from a Citroen CX.
Again the cost of bespoke mirrors is as eye-watering as lamps.

The styling obviously takes influence from previous D and E types brought as up to date as the 80's ever got ;)
Just take the plastic surgery on the 80's Countach as proof of that!
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There’s absolutely a reason for EVERYTHING. Thanks for that Mr Mac. 👍
 
HappytalkAgain said:
The only part I’d agree with you on was the rear light clusters. Like something from an Ifor Williams trailer. 🥴
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Mactech said:
Yes, we hid them away behind s full width rear grille. They were off a very unglamorous car, but I forget what now....but they were type approved.
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Come along, now - you know fine well what they were off... ;)

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R8 Mk2 Rover 200. 😄
 
del320 said:
Come along, now - you know fine well what they were off... ;)

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R8 Mk2 Rover 200. 😄
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Thanks, I really had forgotten!
If you think they are bad, the Silk Cut Jaguar race cars had even clunkier rear lamps. Recessed into the carbon tail panels were some 'lovely' light (as in mass!) clusters that just worked and fulfilled the regulations of the time.
Again no idea where they came from:doh: Maybe a local caravan supplies company:dk:

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That photo reminds me of how I managed to get all 5 of the '88 Le Mans cars to fail scrutineering for being too long!
You can still see how the rear wings have been moved forward on the mount plates to get inside the max length requirements!
What I do remember very well was the phone call from Sir John Egan to demanding to know what was behind the press stories of "Jaguar fail Scrutineering"
After using adjustable mount plates in testing, the full solid production plates arrived at the circuit complete with drawing error(!) the night before scrutineering. Cars travelled in the truck without rear wings so the first time the wings were actually on the new mount plates was at scrutineering.
All cars re-scrutineered the next morning and we went on the win the race. Sir John was a much happier person by then.....
 
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Very nice....and no doubt very expensive.....but as much as I want to like stuff like that I do struggle to get words like "fake" and "kit car" out of my head.
 
ALFAitalia said:
Very nice....and no doubt very expensive.....but as much as I want to like stuff like that I do struggle to get words like "fake" and "kit car" out of my head.
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I fully understand that and I'm similar but I also struggle when someone tell me they have an "original" classic car conveniently forgetting to mention all the modern panels/parts that are in it.
 
Mactech said:
Thanks, I really had forgotten!
If you think they are bad, the Silk Cut Jaguar race cars had even clunkier rear lamps. Recessed into the carbon tail panels were some 'lovely' light (as in mass!) clusters that just worked and fulfilled the regulations of the time.
Again no idea where they came from:doh: Maybe a local caravan supplies company:dk:

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That photo reminds me of how I managed to get all 5 of the '88 Le Mans cars to fail scrutineering for being too long!
You can still see how the rear wings have been moved forward on the mount plates to get inside the max length requirements!
What I do remember very well was the phone call from Sir John Egan to demanding to know what was behind the press stories of "Jaguar fail Scrutineering"
After using adjustable mount plates in testing, the full solid production plates arrived at the circuit complete with drawing error(!) the night before scrutineering. Cars travelled in the truck without rear wings so the first time the wings were actually on the new mount plates was at scrutineering.
All cars re-scrutineered the next morning and we went on the win the race. Sir John was a much happier person by then.....
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When I served on aircraft carriers, (Ark Royal and Hermes) I actually saw where gaffer tape WAS used in some cases on aircraft that were operational

Any stories of gaffer tape being used in actual races?
 
ToeKnee said:
My friends at AK sportscars have just started doing a replica D type to go along with their GT40 and Cobra replicas.

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That is beautiful, Think I felt a stirring in the trouser department!
 
Gollom said:
When I served on aircraft carriers, (Ark Royal and Hermes) I actually saw where gaffer tape WAS used in some cases on aircraft that were operational

Any stories of gaffer tape being used in actual races?
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Whilst Gaffer or Tank tape is rarely used as a primary method of fixture, it is a very rare racecar which competes without any use of tape.
Very often used to cover the heads of Dzus or Camlok fasteners so they don't rotate and similar applications as well as sealing panels.
If a car is shunted and can be repaired in the pit lane, then tape becomes a primary tool to get the car back out there. The uses for tape and tyraps is almost endless in motorsport ;)
 
Mactech said:
Whilst Gaffer or Tank tape is rarely used as a primary method of fixture, it is a very rare racecar which competes without any use of tape.
Very often used to cover the heads of Dzus or Camlok fasteners so they don't rotate and similar applications as well as sealing panels.
If a car is shunted and can be repaired in the pit lane, then tape becomes a primary tool to get the car back out there. The uses for tape and tyraps is almost endless in motorsport ;)
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I ofter wonder how humankind survived before Mr Logan came up with the idea of the Ty-Rap.
 
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