GrahamC230K
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portzy
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I think that you hit the nail on the head with your second paragraph and thats the rub. One of mine, A, has manual and the other, SLK, auto and I was advised to consider the resale value of the SLK if I didnt get an auto so I did although, that was going to be my actual choice anyway.
For me my MB auto
's and does everything that I want it to for 99.99%r of the time, the 0.01% I dont worry about.Portzy.
HughJarse
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ewans
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so, i did a bit of digging on autotrader etc. seems the ratio of auto to manual is at least 2:1 so the signs are auto is the way to go for better sellability etc. in the future.
another question though, whats the difference between a normal auto box and a tiptronic/sequental (as parkers describes it) auto????
another question though, whats the difference between a normal auto box and a tiptronic/sequental (as parkers describes it) auto????
grober
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A Tiptronic gear box has virtually complete manual control over gear changing up and down if you want ( you just "tip" the lever)or alternatively just leave it in full auto. Earlier boxes were primarily fully automatic but you could change gear by selecting the 2 3 4 D settings on the gearshift but slightly more clumsy to operate. Later models are all tiptronic autos AFAIK.
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Just be carefull
......There was another ''auto'' available up until a year or so ago and, at the risk of a flaming here, it was described as a ''sequential'' manual/auto. I was advised by the dealer/s themselves to steer clear of these because they were trouble and no wanted them as a used option. The exact name of the device escapes me at the moment but I'm sure someone will tell me. I'm not saying they are in any way rubbish at all, it was just a dealer comment, I've never driven one but the dealers did have a downer on them so.......
The proper MBZ auto is un-mistakeable though and as grober said, moving the selector right/left moves you up and down the box manually, amongst other stuff.
Portzy.
R2e
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Just be carefull
There was another ''auto'' available up until a year or so ago and, at the risk of a flaming here, it was described as a ''sequential'' manual/auto.
Don't know about Merc, but I've had an MGF with sequential auto, and my wife has a Honda Jazz with sequential auto, both with steering wheel controls. Great fun, drive as an auto or use the paddles for a quasi 6 or 7 speed box. Only strange thing about sequential autos in fully auto mode is when you floor the throttle, the revs go up to maximum and the car catches up, odd sensation when you're used to revs rising with speed.
Can't understand why anyone would want a manual with a strange stirry stick in the middle and a third leg excerciser on the floor (Apart from a past boss of mine who was an Italian and said real men don't drive autos and he didn't have enough control with an auto. Yeah right!). If the good lord had wanted us to drive manuals he'd have given us three legs and arms
An Auto is actually faster to accelerate in real life as nobody outside of Tiff Needell or Jeremy Clarkson would treat a manual in a way necessary to get maximum acceleration, and I'd bet those two would only get it right about 50% of the time if that.
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GrahamC230K
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If the good lord had wanted us to drive manuals he'd have given us three legs and arms
That's why mine broke!
grober
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Just be carefull
There was another ''auto'' available up until a year or so ago and, at the risk of a flaming here, it was described as a ''sequential'' manual/auto. I was advised by the dealer/s themselves to steer clear of these because they were trouble and no wanted them as a used option. The exact name of the device escapes me at the moment but I'm sure someone will tell me. I'm not saying they are in any way rubbish at all, it was just a dealer comment, I've never driven one but the dealers did have a downer on them so.......
The proper MBZ auto is un-mistakeable though and as grober said, moving the selector right/left moves you up and down the box manually, amongst other stuff.
Portzy.
I think you are talking about the (semi-automatic) sequetronic box. This is essentially a manual box but the clutch and gear changes are operated by hydraulics. It doesn't have a torque converter or gear clutches/brake bands like a true auto box. They give better MPG than a true auto box but are problematic and best avoided as has been said.
recycled
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Why would you need three legs to drive a manual?
There are far more manual cars in this country than autos and i have not seen anyone yet with three legs.
i am also willing to bet that no one here has an auto only licence .
This is down to choice and individuality and i hate autos as i do not want cramp from my left foot sitting all day doing nothing . I still maintain they are also less reliable and need more care and attention.
I have never had a manual box fail on me but i have had two autos go with torque converter and clutch problems.
There are far more manual cars in this country than autos and i have not seen anyone yet with three legs.
i am also willing to bet that no one here has an auto only licence .
This is down to choice and individuality and i hate autos as i do not want cramp from my left foot sitting all day doing nothing . I still maintain they are also less reliable and need more care and attention.
I have never had a manual box fail on me but i have had two autos go with torque converter and clutch problems.
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He meant for the foot operated parking brake. For some reason people think you need to have your foot on it at the same time as the clutch. Not something I understand as it's released by hand.
Kompressor_Dude
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^^ Very true, if anything the problem comes when your still getting used to it and you put your foot on the footbrake without putting the car into neutral first. As your foot comes off the clutch it stalls and you flail wildly for a 'stop' pedal.............. or so im told 
gina2201
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Do you find the car makes a loud "bang" noise when releasing the hand operated foot/hand brake?!
I was told to cover the pedal when releasing and it stops that awful bang! Only learnt that the other day.....
I was told to cover the pedal when releasing and it stops that awful bang!
Only learnt that the other day.....
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Do you find the car makes a loud "bang" noise when releasing the hand operated foot/hand brake?!
I was told to cover the pedal when releasing and it stops that awful bang!
So how do you do that having only two legs? See I'm ok having got the full three..
Doesn't it have a rubber stop for the pedal?
gina2201
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So how do you do that having only two legs? See I'm ok having got the full three..
Doesn't it have a rubber stop for the pedal?
No comment....Erm, I don't know, but just releasing the handbrake it makes a noise but when you have your foot over the pedal it is silent! Nothing to bang against?!
recycled
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Depends on how far you step on the pedal. if you step it to the first click, there is not much noise
gina2201
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Admittedly yes, and I only ever put it on the least clicks possible ie when parking on the flat but on hills!! Not very nice!
grober
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tiptronic advert
Heres an advert to illustrate the "tiptronic" principle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogvdN5P1LwA&mode=related&search=
Heres an advert to illustrate the "tiptronic" principle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogvdN5P1LwA&mode=related&search=
R2e
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Three pedals, three legs (nothing to do with the foot operated handbrake as has been suggested). Auto with two pedals, two legs.
Try left foot braking if you don't want cramp driving an auto. Can be much faster than lifting your foot off the accelerator and down on the brake. The reason there are far more manuals is they used to suck too much power for the small cars we traditionally had in UK. In the US where everything is bigger, including peoples' butts, autos are the standard. Things are changing though as more and more people wake up to the benefits of an auto in today's congested traffic. It's not that I'm against manuals per se, I just feel the supposed benefits of a manual have all but disappeared as traffic has got worse and autos better, and the auto provides a better driving experience for driver and passenger. If you'd ever driven a car with a heavy clutch in M25 rush hour traffic day after day, I'm sure you would change your mind.Never seen a person with three legs? What about Jake the Peg then? Got you there
