C270Di Saloon

[Gollom]

Going to look at a CD270CDi on Friday in Bradford (2001 MY)

What should I be looking for? Anybody knowledgeable want to join me? That would be most helpful!! So far got:

• Rust (Where typically? Already got bottom of doors & wheel arches)
• Front suspension squeaks
• Injector blow by and inlet manifold issues (how do I check for this?)
• Floor it to make sure it revs above 3k and that kickdown works
• Check engine temperature gets to above 80C fairly quickly
• Check service history to see if ATF and filter have been changed

As always, thanks a bundle [YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE]

 

[JasM]

Also check if it has a Valeo radiator, if it does get it changed ASAP.

 

[Gollom]

Also check if it has a Valeo radiator, if it does get it changed ASAP.

Does a Valeo have a green dot to identify it or something? I am sure it will not be as simple as a big VALEO on it! lol

 

[Buffers]

Quick high rev producing cloud of black smoke from exhaust could mean (but not always) inlet manifold flap wear or damage. Also check all electrics are fully functioning i.e. seats, windows, door locks etc. Mine had a faulty indicator stork (wouldn't stay up on rhs turn). Decent service history important. Good luck, don't have to buy first car you see, there are plenty of good ones out there. I would go for Avantgarde spec.

 

[JasM]

A Valeo radiator has straight toothed crimping of the rad end tanks, cars after 2003 were replaced with Behr radiators which solved the problem. The Behr radiator has a wavy strip of metal crimping around the end tanks. Pics below:

Valeo

Behr

Pics taken from here

 

[Gollom]

A Valeo radiator has straight toothed crimping of the rad end tanks, cars after 2003 were replaced with Behr radiators which solved the problem. The Behr radiator has a wavy strip of metal crimping around the end tanks. Pics below:

Pics taken from here

If it has the Valeo, how much are we talking (ball park) to replace? And it is it a DIY job for someone who is able to follow A-B-C instructions!

Car I am looking at is here. Comments welcome. I'll ask for the VIN later so I can get the data card

 

[trapperjohn]

If its got a brand new turbo on it walk away, nope, run at battle speed.

Looking at the pictures. Very nice Sir. On the money with some room for negotiation at that price.

Looks like it might have two keys. As you know these cost a packet if you need a spare.

 

[allegoricus]

Looks like it might have two keys. As you know these cost a packet if you need a spare.

Yes they do, as we found when we bought ours!

 

[Gollom]

Just got VIN (it is WDC and I thought they were normally WDB?)

Code Текст
220 PARKTRONIC SYSTEM (PTS)
249 AUTOMATICALLY DIPPING INSIDE REAR VIEW MIRROR
287 THROUGH-LOADING FEATURE
345 RAIN SENSOR
352 COMMAND
423 5-SPEED AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
461 INSTRUMENT WITH MILES IND. AND ENGLISH LEGEND
486 Unknown
500 OUTSIDE REAR VIEW MIRROR LH AND RH FOLDING
543 SUN VISOR WITH MAKE-UP MIRROR L. AND R., BE-
551 ANTI-THEFT/ANTI-BREAK-IN WARNING SYSTEM
581 AUTOMATIC AIR CONDITIONER
600 HEADLAMPS - CLEANING EQUIPMENT
617 LAMP UNIT: XENON HEADLAMPS ASSYMMETRICAL
668 PACKAGING FOR SHIPPING VEHICLES WITH TIE-DOWN HOOK
669 Unknown
673 HIGH-CAPACITY BATTERY
674 Unknown
691 BLUE HEAT-INSULATING GLASS ALL-AROUND, GLASS REAR
802 AEJ 06/1/M/X
833 INVALID/GREAT BRITAIN,ADDITIONAL PARTS
875 HEATED SCREEN WASH SYSTEM
882 INTERIOR SAFEGUARD/TOWING PROTECTION
954 EQUIPMENT PACKAGE FOR AVANTGARDE VEHICLES
984 COC DOC., DELETION OF VEHICLE REGISTRATION DOC.
989 Unknown
200A LEATHER
205B OWNERS MANUAL AND SERVICE RECORD - ENGLISH
221B INFO PLATE, COOLANT - ENGLISH
236B WITHOUT CUSTOMER SERVICE - STATION INDEX
5XXL EUROPE
537L GREAT BRITAIN
345U BRIGHT BLUE - METALLIC PAINT
208A LEATHER GREY

 

[whitenemesis]

WDC = Built in South Africa. Only the estates were built in Germany (WDB)

 

[grumpyoldgit]

Replacement radiator at EuroCarParts - You then have the MB Club members discount.

Nice motor with a great equipment spec Steve. Don't forget to make sure everything works as it should.

View attachment 30438

 

[grumpyoldgit]

If its got a brand new turbo on it walk away, nope, run at battle speed.

Looking at the pictures. Very nice Sir. On the money with some room for negotiation at that price.

Looks like it might have two keys. As you know these cost a packet if you need a spare.

Why is it to be avoided if it has a new turbo please?

New key £227 as I've recently found out.

 

[DSM10000]

If its got a brand new turbo on it walk away, nope, run at battle speed

Could you kindly clarify? What is the issue with a new turbocharger being fitted?

 

[Gollom]

Replacement radiator at EuroCarParts - You then have the MB Club members discount.

Nice motor with a great equipment spec Steve. Don't forget to make sure everything works as it should.

View attachment 30438

Appreciated. Is replacing a DIY job? If not, do you know ballpark what it would cost to have done? (or number of mechanic hours)

 

[grumpyoldgit]

I would advise against DIY unless you have previous experience.
Having checked a well known workshop manual to see what is involved it appears to be quite a complex job as they say that the electric cooling fan and bumper need to be removed. The condenser for the air-con needs to be lowered out of the way and tied up without damaging the refrigerant lines. The automatic transmission heat exchanger fluid hoses also need to be clamped.
As for cost or man hours to do the job, sorry I don't have any idea.

On the bright side.......the car may not have a Valeo rad.

 

[Gollom]

C270CDi AvantGarde

Going to take a look at this in Bradford (BD7) late this afternoon (anybody knowledgeable around locally to look with me please?)

Thanks to this wonderful forum, got the following list of gotchas so far (looks impressive - well it would be if I knew what I were doing. LOL!) Anything to add?

• Rust (especially bottom of doors & wheel arches)
• Front suspension squeaks/knocks
• Injector blow by and inlet manifold issues - Quick high rev producing cloud of black smoke from exhaust could mean (but not always) inlet manifold flap wear or damage
• Floor it to make sure it revs above 3k and that kickdown works
• Check engine temperature gets to above 80C fairly quickly
• Check service history to see if ATF and filter have been changed
• Two keys
• SatNav disc
• All electrics fully functioning i.e. seats, windows, door locks, indicator stalk etc.
• Decent service history important (ATF been changed?)
• Clunky gearchange
• Valeo or Behr radiator (Straight/Wavy crimping)

Data Card:

220 PARKTRONIC SYSTEM (PTS)
249 AUTOMATICALLY DIPPING INSIDE REAR VIEW MIRROR
287 THROUGH-LOADING FEATURE
345 RAIN SENSOR
352 COMMAND
423 5-SPEED AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
461 INSTRUMENT WITH MILES IND. AND ENGLISH LEGEND
486 Unknown
500 OUTSIDE REAR VIEW MIRROR LH AND RH FOLDING
543 SUN VISOR WITH MAKE-UP MIRROR L. AND R., BE-
551 ANTI-THEFT/ANTI-BREAK-IN WARNING SYSTEM
581 AUTOMATIC AIR CONDITIONER
600 HEADLAMPS - CLEANING EQUIPMENT
617 LAMP UNIT: XENON HEADLAMPS ASSYMMETRICAL
668 PACKAGING FOR SHIPPING VEHICLES WITH TIE-DOWN HOOK
669 Unknown
673 HIGH-CAPACITY BATTERY
674 Unknown
691 BLUE HEAT-INSULATING GLASS ALL-AROUND, GLASS REAR
802 AEJ 06/1/M/X
833 INVALID/GREAT BRITAIN,ADDITIONAL PARTS
875 HEATED SCREEN WASH SYSTEM
882 INTERIOR SAFEGUARD/TOWING PROTECTION
954 EQUIPMENT PACKAGE FOR AVANTGARDE VEHICLES
984 COC DOC., DELETION OF VEHICLE REGISTRATION DOC.
989 Unknown
200A LEATHER
205B OWNERS MANUAL AND SERVICE RECORD - ENGLISH
221B INFO PLATE, COOLANT - ENGLISH
236B WITHOUT CUSTOMER SERVICE - STATION INDEX
5XXL EUROPE
537L GREAT BRITAIN
345U BRIGHT BLUE - METALLIC PAINT
208A LEATHER GREY

 

[MarkJunedd]

Car in the link seems a tad pricey in my opinion. I'm looking for one of these myself and have seem quite a few lower mile examples at least a grand cheaper. Nice looking car though.

 

[Gollom]

Car in the link seems a tad pricey in my opinion. I'm looking for one of these myself and have seem quite a few lower mile examples at least a grand cheaper. Nice looking car though.

Input appreciated. I didn't think it was overpriced by that much (my gut feel was to offer around £3K) and have not seen any at the level you mention. Any links?

All helps!

 

[MarkJunedd]

Any links?

All helps!

If i have done this right yes----- slightly higher miles but newer and cheaper
2002 Mercedes-Benz C Class C270 CDI Classic SE 4dr Auto Diesel Saloon 2.7


Edit -------JUST NOTICED ITS CLASSIC NOT AVANTGARDE >>>>>>> DOH!!!!!!!

 

[Gollom]

The search continues....

Went to look and to my novice eye the mechanicals sounded OK but I feel there are too many negatives that will cost to put right. May make a totally stupid offer just for the hell of it. C270CDi on at £3295 - what does the panel think? MY2001, 104K miles

• Wheels all with usual MB laquer lift - will definately need refurb
• Rust on bottom corner of front doors, edges of wings. Not terrible but will need attention to stop it getting that way. Ful MB service up to 90K but then specialist so no chance of MB contribution.
• 2 new tyres needed
• Interior needs a serious valet
• Think the radiator is original, therefore Valeo = may need replacing
• No SatNav disk for COMAND
• Most important - SuzyCute does not have a good feeling about it!

Over to you!