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Hi,i found a really nice looking ( photo's very good ) 2004 CL 55 AMG. I emailed the owner to ask a couple of questions and one of the answers was it had slight flood damage which caused a Cat C being declared, I'm just interested in what that could mean relating to the water damage

I would not go any where near the car, with all those electronics.

It was not advertised as a Cat C, even more reason to stay clear and he has only had it for six months and he said re the Flooding " Flood was really shallow apparently "
 
Hmmm, he's a naughty boy not advertising its a 'C', just goes to show that you should ALWAYS do an HPI (or similar) check.
 
...especially when a £20 HPI check gives you 7 days' free insurance, which in my case (with the Merc) was quoted at £170 by tempcover.com :thumb:
 
Yep.....I once went to see a car and it was quite a distance away. Anyway I got stuck in a major traffic jam on the way and called up the seller to say that whilst I was in the traffic I would do an HPI check on the car and could he supply me with the details, as it was a Sunday and RAC HPI close early.

It was only then that he told me that the HPI will come up showing that the car is a cat C. !!!!

Needless to say, I was not very happy :devil::devil:. I didn't bother to go an inch further, I turned around and came back.

If people are not honest about something as serious as that in an advert or even on the phone, they are doing themselves no favors.
 
Hmmm, he's a naughty boy not advertising its a 'C'

A private seller does not have to state it is cat c but a trader does. As said above a HPI check will reveal it but plenty of people still buy cars without doing a HPI check!
 
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A private seller does not have to state it is cat c but a trader does. As said above a HPI check will reveal it but plenty of people still buy cars without doing a HPI check!


Very true indeed. In fact, one should Always do a HPI check, even if buying from a dealer.

I know..... :mad:
 
What constitutes a Cat C ?
 
The Association of British Insurers' Salvage Category Guidelines


When an insurance company disposes of a vehicle instead of returning it to the policy holder, it is assigned a salvage category. This may either be 'A', 'B', 'C' or 'D'. In some instances, a vehicle may not be given a category, designated as 'not recorded' or 'Category X'. The different categories are explained below.


Category 'A'

SCRAP only e.g. total burn outs. These vehicles must be crushed and no parts can be salvaged.

Category 'B'

BREAK only. Parts can be salvaged from these vehicles but the body shell, or frame in the case of motorbikes, must be destroyed
NB. We will only sell category 'B' vehicles to customers possessing the relevant ELV license

Category 'C'

Repairable, but the insurance company-estimated repair costs exceed the vehicle’s pre-accident value. This is likely because the insurer is obliged to use new manufacturer-supplied parts and high-cost labour.

Before a log book (V5) will be issued for one of these vehicles, a vehicle identity check (VIC) must be carried out. Currently, approximately 1 in 3 Cat 'C' vehicles requires a VIC. The remaining 2/3 will have log books issued upon application. You can learn more about VICs by taking a look at the 'VIC Checks Explained' section of this site.

Category 'D'

All other repairable vehicles. The estimated repair costs do not exceed the pre-accident value of the vehicle, but it remains more cost-effective for the insurance company to dispose of it. For example, the cost of providing a hire car to the policy holder for a long period would, when added to the repair costs, total more than the pre-accident value of the vehicle. Alternatively, a vehicle may be recorded as category 'D' because it was stolen and only recovered after the policy holder had been paid out.

The log book (V5) for Cat 'D' vehicles will be issued upon application. They do not require a VIC check



Source: S &Salvage Categories Explained
 
It's not unknown for people to try to pass off really badly damaged cars as 'slight flood damage'.
Most flood damage is Cat D. For it to be flood damaged as Cat C the car would have been almost submerged (probably in salt water).

Either way it's not worth buying.
 
:thumb: cheers for that man, i didn't know that.

That info was really useful :bannana::thumb:

My current car is a CAT D the damage was very minor, (a cracked bumper) but because the insurance company would have to use original parts the bumper, spraying and hire car would have exceeded the £1750.00 they said the car was worth.

So you need to ask yourself the question, how much is the car worth without a CAT C because that's the minimum according the insurance company that it would have taken to fix.

Chris
 
davethemus;929168 Originally Posted by Gridlock ...especially when a £20 HPI check gives you 7 days' free insurance said:
:thumb: cheers for that man, i didn't know that.

That info was really useful :bannana::thumb:

My current car is a CAT D the damage was very minor, (a cracked bumper) but because the insurance company would have to use original parts the bumper, spraying and hire car would have exceeded the £1750.00 they said the car was worth.

So you need to ask yourself the question, how much is the car worth without a CAT C because that's the minimum according the insurance company that it would have taken to fix.

Chris
 
It's not unknown for people to try to pass off really badly damaged cars as 'slight flood damage'.
Most flood damage is Cat D. For it to be flood damaged as Cat C the car would have been almost submerged (probably in salt water).

Either way it's not worth buying.

Any sort of flood damage is a no no. I found out that MB Colindale had been servicing the car, rang them up with the Vin No and asked if they had any history on the car. They had the car last July as a non starter and whoever owned it decided after ten days to take it elsewhere to have it repaired.

As you said more likely fully submerged. Thanks for the Cat information.
 
I know its a little off topic but I just tried to take up the free 7 days insurance from the HPI check and it seems its only valid if you own the car, so its useless if you want it to do a test drive. Also it seems if you do not take up a policy with them you might not get it either as they told me you only get 7 days free if you meet their T&C.

Chris
 
Yeah, it's for after you've bought it sorry, not test drives etc.

I didn't have any problem meeting their requirements, and that was as a 29 year old, group 20 car, no available NCB. Their quote, should I wish to take up a years' insurance, was over £3K from memory :eek:
 

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