Bless.And what about his Human Rights eh?
Violated in my own opinion.
Is Essex the only one who uses Evo and Impreza for interception? They got bases in Chingwell, Basildon and had a quick capture, they also associated with the Highways Agency.
Councils get power to ‘spy’ on your e-mail and net use
Violated in my own opinion.
Is Essex the only one who uses Evo and Impreza for interception? They got bases in Chingwell, Basildon and had a quick capture, they also associated with the Highways Agency.
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Point #1: This is fairly typical of the way these sort of powers get introduced nowadays. Start off with a justification for the powers that sounds reasonable (e.g. prevention of terrorism) and once the core powers have been introduced extend them to matters that parliament would never have agreed to if they were mooted when the initial permission was sought. I'd call this "Planned Mission Creep" and it is a cynical and dishonest way of doing things in a democracy.
Point #2: I cannot imagine any circumstances under which it is necessary for local government employees to intercept or interrogate the communications of individual citizens (with the possible exception of their own employees in narrowly defined circumstances, but that's another matter). If there is suspicion that a crime has been or is being committed then that is a matter for the Police or Security Services to investigate.
Point #3: The greater the variety of people with different purposes you allow to access personal data the less chance there is of it remaining personal and private. The opportunity for misuse (both intended and accidental - have you never seen Post-It notes with usernames and passwords stuck to monitors in offices?) rises exponentially, whatever sanctions may be in place to discourage such misuse. This is partly through human nature (curiosity) and partly through the inability of most organisations - especially government organisations - to provide properly segmented access that is strictly controlled.
Lord Denning made a remark regarding a "Public Interest" test in an appeal case a number of years ago along the lines of "What interests the public and what is in the public interest are two different things". I think our lawmakers and civil servants would do well to consider a slight variant of that remark: "What interests the State and what is in the State's interest are two diffferent things".
Point #1: This is fairly typical of the way these sort of powers get introduced nowadays. Start off with a justification for the powers that sounds reasonable (e.g. prevention of terrorism) and once the core powers have been introduced extend them to matters that parliament would never have agreed to if they were mooted when the initial permission was sought. I'd call this "Planned Mission Creep" and it is a cynical and dishonest way of doing things in a democracy.
Point #2: I cannot imagine any circumstances under which it is necessary for local government employees to intercept or interrogate the communications of individual citizens (with the possible exception of their own employees in narrowly defined circumstances, but that's another matter). If there is suspicion that a crime has been or is being committed then that is a matter for the Police or Security Services to investigate.
Point #3: The greater the variety of people with different purposes you allow to access personal data the less chance there is of it remaining personal and private. The opportunity for misuse (both intended and accidental - have you never seen Post-It notes with usernames and passwords stuck to monitors in offices?) rises exponentially, whatever sanctions may be in place to discourage such misuse. This is partly through human nature (curiosity) and partly through the inability of most organisations - especially government organisations - to provide properly segmented access that is strictly controlled.
Lord Denning made a remark regarding a "Public Interest" test in an appeal case a number of years ago along the lines of "What interests the public and what is in the public interest are two different things". I think our lawmakers and civil servants would do well to consider a slight variant of that remark: "What interests the State and what is in the State's interest are two diffferent things".
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" The information will include the date and times of the log-in and log-off from the internet – the “who, when, and where” of communication – but not the contents of calls, messages or lists of websites which had been accessed."
Right, so the government will know when I am online but not what I am doing. Still a bit creepy as the data can be used a) to ascertain my whereabouts b) my social habits.
But why, not knowing what I do on the web is hardly going to aid state investigations, but rather they have found yet another way to waste £46million.
Seriously, given the economic climate have they not got anything better to spend £46million of our money on than a big brother scheme to potentially find out if I and 50 odd million people were online @ 8:13pm on a wednesday night.
Right, so the government will know when I am online but not what I am doing. Still a bit creepy as the data can be used a) to ascertain my whereabouts b) my social habits.
But why, not knowing what I do on the web is hardly going to aid state investigations, but rather they have found yet another way to waste £46million.
Seriously, given the economic climate have they not got anything better to spend £46million of our money on than a big brother scheme to potentially find out if I and 50 odd million people were online @ 8:13pm on a wednesday night.
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Maybe you're just not interesting enough to show up on the radar..
The information collected could be very useful in an investigation such as if terorists were found to be planning an attack.
For regular citizens it's a non issue. Does it bother me if they know who I talk to and when. No.!
The £46M is probably the total cost of the project, which is nessesary for National security.
The information collected could be very useful in an investigation such as if terorists were found to be planning an attack.
For regular citizens it's a non issue. Does it bother me if they know who I talk to and when. No.!
The £46M is probably the total cost of the project, which is nessesary for National security.
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Moaning on here is not a crime of terror yet....
It bothers me out of principle. I find the "i've got nothing to hide so don't mind being spied on" mentality a bit spineless. How would the information be useful, all they are collecting are internet log on and log off times, they are collating a list of websites that are being visitied and email contents.
I think its a very real issue as this could lead to a more invasive scheme, stop them before they have the power to breach ones privacy. The government works for us, we should be scrutinising them, not the other way around.
£46million. Think about that sum and think on what its being spent on to achieve.
The UK has been secure enough for ages without this measure. Look at the state of the roads, our sorry infrastructure, under performing hospitals and schools and our over taxed fuel. That is money that should be spent on better things than a half ar*** attempt at a big brother scheme.
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I'm bowing out of his conversation now but will just pass coment on your satement.
I think just the opposite is true. I'm quite happy to accept responsibility for my actions and think that the people that want to hide away do so because they are not brave enough to accept the consequences for theirs.
I think just the opposite is true. I'm quite happy to accept responsibility for my actions and think that the people that want to hide away do so because they are not brave enough to accept the consequences for theirs.
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Horses for courses, but I never said I wasn't happy to accept responsibility for my actions, but I disagree with the 2nd half of your statment:
wrong, they just don't want their privacy invaded and their money wasted.
wrong, they just don't want their privacy invaded and their money wasted.
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This poor Essex guy was hiding in the attic and rolled on the itchy loft insulation and he was asking for a shirt, he was denied and driven off.
Good for the thieving scum
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Gosh, don't tell Pammy!!
Not to you, but if i work in a council in chelsea, wow all those millionaire footballers and their bedrooms, and the kiss and tell papers waiting,
How much do the council workers earn in a year? how much do the papers pay? how much is the blackmail cost?
Could be worth it.
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it bothers me. As one of my desertation projetcs in Uni, i had to research ammonium nitrate which is very dangerous. Now i do not want to be set up like a recent guy released from jail for a murder he never did because they can easily use all the websites i have visited, to create and build a case around me if an explosion suddenly goes off somewhere, like a DNA strand using the materials i had researched
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The real criminals and scammers, will have taken all measures yto cover up on these spies. The only people they will be spying on, is the innocent "willing to pay fines" person.
Same as vehicle crime. Criminals cars, are never insured, registered or taxed
Same as vehicle crime. Criminals cars, are never insured, registered or taxed
Ah, but the question is, were you having fun with yourself at the time?
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Rules, regulations and schemes passed by this government seem to targer the law abiding and fail to target the real criminals. It can't be too long before this crowd are confined to the history books.
What an intimate question? Spambot and pervert.
Stop invading my privacy, local council officer. This is private! None of your business, peeping tom.
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Dragon, did you post this in PC and IT support because you've been told to stop posting in the news section ?
And could you just for a short while please stop posting news links that are very obviously going to start political arguments.
And could you just for a short while please stop posting news links that are very obviously going to start political arguments.
What? I didn't post in the News section. This is all about Internet access, is correct in the right section.