Dashcams can be quite revealing

[Giantvanman]

It's hard to beat that well reasoned argument now isn't.

Not being funny or anything but I am not the only poster who is receptive to learning something new. Please can you post what legal sources/references you are basing the 'against' argument on?

 

[John Jones Jr]

Oi I am a good driver and my name is JOHN & I have no dash cam

A fair play to DavidT99, he does a sense of humor all the same

 

[stevehg]

You missed the bit where it says "Images captured for recreational purposes, such as with a mobile phone, digital camera or camcorder, are also exempt "

I will say again... The DPA does not apply to individuals, only organisations and businesses.

The only thing that covers the use of cameras for a private individual is the law of trespass (civil) and the human right to privacy. Neither of which the OP fell fowl of with the use of his dashcam. Not unless he was deliberately stalking his mechanics that is.

In secretly filming them he was breaching their human rights.

Not being funny or anything but I am not the only poster who is receptive to learning something new. Please can you post what legal sources/references you are basing the 'against' argument on?

The argument from Spike now seems to be that anyone is free to film whoever they want wherever they want, even in a clandestine way and this is not breaching any human rights.

The argument against is quite obvious, but frankly I can't be bothered to discuss it anymore as soon appears to degenerate to a full scale argument here.

 

[Giantvanman]

In secretly filming them he was breaching their human rights.

The argument from Spike now seems to be that anyone is free to film whoever they want wherever they want, even in a clandestine way and this is not breaching any human rights.

The argument against is quite obvious, but frankly I can't be bothered to discuss it anymore as soon appears to degenerate to a full scale argument here.

Not looking for an argument or to denigrate.
I am simply asking a fellow member who may have knowledge over mine and which may benefit others, specifically those 'for'. Which part of ECHR are you referring to?
I ask that because 'obvious' isn't always necessarily so, you see. If it is obvious, please tell us specifically why and not generally by mentioning one act without sections or rationale.

 

[WDB124066]

If a Client was secretly filming you at work, unbeknown to your employer, in an area not open to the general public, wouldn't that be spooky in many circumstances?

I like the idea of a camera all the same and sitting here just thinking about it I'm sure this is not the first time MB has had to deal with cameras in cars - wonder what the official policy is, turn them off before you start work on the car, what is on that paperwork they get you to sign, the terms and conditions. This could be a minefield.

 

[boxbrownie]

In secretly filming them he was breaching their human rights.

I really do not see how a dashcam in full view in the windscreen was "secretly" filming.

Had the OP secreted the cam within the RVM or hidden within a sun visor with just a pinhole for the lens, then I would agree, but nah, sorry.

FWIW One of my dashcams is almost the size of a old instamatic hanging in front of the RVM, hardly secret but the picture quality is superb.

 

[219]

It's hard to beat that well reasoned argument now isn't.

A basic premise of our legal system is that anything is legal unless specifically outlawed .

 

[Deleted member 37751]

I'm sure the OP (and the supporters) would have no issue with being filmed at their place of work, having a private conversation without their knowledge then?

 

[John Jones Jr]

I'm sure the OP (and the supporters) would have no issue with being filmed at their place of work, having a private conversation without their knowledge then?

Ha, ha. Just bloody sad that you had to mention the obvious.

 

[219]

I'm sure the OP (and the supporters) would have no issue with being filmed at their place of work, having a private conversation without their knowledge then?

There's a difference between being unhappy about something , and being able to do anything about it .

 

[Deleted member 37751]

There's a difference between being unhappy about something , and being able to do anything about it .

Do you mean that you think it's fine to be filmed without your knowledge, at your place of work, having a private conversation?

 

[219]

We actually do have CCTV throughout the building , although video only/no sound .

However , unless I was doing something I ought not to be doing , which I wouldn't be , I wouldn't find it such a big deal .

As already stated , there are lots of places you can be filmed/photographed - either 'for your own safety and protection' , or just because others have a perfect right to do it , and not a lot you can do about it .

 

[Sp!ke]

I used to install hidden cameras as part of what I did for a living...it happens all over the place and is quite normal in the workplace.

The dashcam however isnt covert and the contol of it was in the hands of the mechanic. It would only be a breach of any right to privacy if the mechanic and footage was exposed publicly.

 

[Deleted member 37751]

However , unless I was doing something I ought not to be doing , which I wouldn't be , I wouldn't find it such a big deal .

I wondered who'd be the first to bring out that old chestnut!

 

[Giantvanman]

I have been filmed, photographed and recorded many times at work but it doesn't bother me. I look at it as protection against the liars, schemers and drama merchants who get upset because they haven't got their own way or because they are simply mean spirited, small minded people who look to hurt for no reason other than to feel 'big and clever' or to show off to their equally distasteful mates (or social media 'friends').

 

[nb_racing]

I wondered who'd be the first to bring out that old chestnut!

Well he beat me to it!!

 

[Bellow]

Do you mean that you think it's fine to be filmed without your knowledge, at your place of work, having a private conversation?

Quite!
Whatever happened to 'decency'? Where is the respect for a man's privacy?
Some (most) of you here may be in a race to achieve the surveillance state but count me out.
A nation of snoopers. Curtain twitchers with gadgets. Sad, sad, sad.

 

[moonloops]

Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights is very clear on a person's right to privacy - end of.

As a side note, CCTV in your own workplace has to be registered with the DP / ICO and you must have clear "warning signs" that it is in place/use.

Now off to Guantanamo Bay the lot of you..

 

[Giantvanman]

Quite!
Whatever happened to 'decency'? Where is the respect for a man's privacy?
Some (most) of you here may be in a race to achieve the surveillance state but count me out.
A nation of snoopers. Curtain twitchers with gadgets. Sad, sad, sad.

My employers don't believe in decency or private conversations (in the terms of the thread). They also don't believe in humour; coincidence?

 

[219]

Quite!
Whatever happened to 'decency'? Where is the respect for a man's privacy?
Some (most) of you here may be in a race to achieve the surveillance state but count me out.
A nation of snoopers. Curtain twitchers with gadgets. Sad, sad, sad.

I don't pretend to like it , but equally not that bothered as , in most cases , it does have its use in fighting crime / protecting property .

I accept that it exists and it is unlikely to change .