Did I used the right Oil ?

[Martyn_n]

I recently found that the cheapest 229.51 "Approved" oil was genuine stuff from MB Newcastle on eBay, cheaper even than brands that "Meet" the standard rather than being approved. If you are in doubt about the suitability of the oil, or don't know how to check, I recommend you buy directly from MB (And save a few quid at the time).

 

[E55BOF]

Not only that it has the superior VW 504.00 507.00 specification .




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Fixed that for you.

I've been thinking about those two graphics you keep pushing. How about a link to the source, so we can see for ourselves who reached those conclusions and how they were reached? I suspect if they were depicted as graphs, we'd see heavily depressed zeroes - or to put it another way, they're more of an advertising puff than anything else.

 

[Gazwould]

I disclosed the source ages ago on request , surely you didn't miss it as you don't miss anything...




Is it not logical that an oil that is stable for this amount of time / mileage is a superior oil containing the two highest oil basestocks groups 4 & 5 which are real synthetics PAO and Esters that resist thermal breakdown and allows a greater amount of detergents to be held and will also contain more dispersants and friction modifiers etc within a higher concentration additive package .

I don't recommend the maximum LongLife interval , use this annually and you have an oil throughout and towards the end of it's interval in far better shape doing a far better job than an oil designed for a lesser interval .

No puffery required .

 

[E55BOF]

VW is a major car manufacturer; they wouldn't tell fibs, conceal information or be economical with the truth to improve sales, would they? Perish the thought... That's Volkswagen's claim from, presumably, tests done by Volkswagen themselves, and it reads like a quote from a publicity piece; aka a puff...

Your comment on it reads like more quotes from a publicity piece. I was hoping for something concrete, and more specific, like hard data giving the results of tests done by an independent body. You're still quoting, as you often do, little snippets. Where's the data to back up the claims?

So what is your source? How about at least a link to the document in question, so we can make up our own minds?

 

[Gazwould]

Fair play they've done some massive fibs




Well there is a few independent tests , one from a mechanical engineer that tested 250 oils and a 504.00 507.00 came 5th in an oil film psi strength test of over 135 psi .

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Also I'm 9 years into a high mileage Pumpe Düse engine fed in my ownership on this spec oil that can see the vehicle requiring a camshaft kit at 150K.

I'll dig out the sources later as drowning in stuff I must do .

 

[Bellow]

Is it not logical that an oil that is stable for this amount of time / mileage is a superior oil containing the two highest oil basestocks groups 4 & 5 which are real synthetics PAO and Esters that resist thermal breakdown and allows a greater amount of detergents to be held and will also contain more dispersants and friction modifiers etc within a higher concentration additive package .

Why is it that all the oils you list/recommend with that VW spec are only API CF-4 rated?
This what the API website says of CF-4 oils:

CF-4 Obsolete CAUTION: Not suitable for use in most diesel-powered automotive engines built after 2009.

CF-4 dates back to 1994 and is obsolete. Yet the oils I use have existed from at least 1994 and meet the latest API spec which is CK-4 whereas the recently developed oils you recommend can only meet an obsolete CF-4 spec from 1994.
CK-4 spec incidentally includes:

''API CK-4 oils are designed to provide enhanced protection against oil oxidation, viscosity loss due to shear, and oil aeration as well as protection against catalyst poisoning, particulate filter blocking, engine wear, piston deposits, degradation of low- and high-temperature properties, and soot-related viscosity increase.''

That isn't manufacturer's puffery - that's the spec laid out by the American Petroleum Institute for manufacturers to meet.

Oil Categories

The American Petroleum Institute (API) is the only national trade association that represents all aspects of America’s oil and natural gas industry. Our more than 600 corporate members, from the largest major oil company to the smallest of independents, come from all segments of the industry.

www.api.org

 

[Gazwould]

Give me a CK-4 engine oil product example .

 

[Bellow]

Give me a CK-4 engine oil product example .

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Monolec® is LE’s proprietary liquid wear-reducing additive that creates a single molecular lubricating film on metal surfaces, vastly increasing oil film strength without affecting clearances.

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[Gazwould]

A car application please .

 

[Bellow]

A car application please .

LE8800 15W/40 in my father's Nissan Primera 2.0l (from first service onwards) which had 160,000 miles on it the last I heard of it and engine still going strong. Drain interval extended by 50%.

LE8800 15W/40 in my Nissan Almera GTi (from first service onwards) which spent most of its life chasing three digit speeds. Accident write-off at 118,000 miles - engine still perfect. Drain interval extended by 50%.

LE8800 15W/40 in my smart fortwo (from first service onwards) which went to 75,000 miles before needing the oil control rings attending to. Most expire by 50,000 miles.

LE8130 10W/30 in my Chevrolet Suburban Vortec 5.7l. No problems, doesn't burn a drop.

edit PS. And when the smart engine was opened up its internals were clean - unlike the filth inside the examples that failed at 50,000 miles.

 

[E55BOF]

Fair play they've done some massive fibs

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Well there is a few independent tests , one from a mechanical engineer that tested 250 oils and a 504.00 507.00 came 5th in an oil film psi strength test of over 135 psi .

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Also I'm 9 years into a high mileage Pumpe Düse engine fed in my ownership on this spec oil that can see the vehicle requiring a camshaft kit at 150K.

I'll dig out the sources later as drowning in stuff I must do .

I note everything there is VW group; you don't work for VW, do you?

Still, finally some hard data, but without anything not Volkswagen, hardly conclusive, I'm sure you'd agree. I don't suppose they make throttle boosters, do they?

 

[Gazwould]

Yep got hard evidence on them too .

 

[Gazwould]

LE8800 15W/40 in my father's Nissan Primera 2.0l (from first service onwards) which had 160,000 miles on it the last I heard of it and engine still going strong. Drain interval extended by 50%.

LE8800 15W/40 in my Nissan Almera GTi (from first service onwards) which spent most of its life chasing three digit speeds. Accident write-off at 118,000 miles - engine still perfect. Drain interval extended by 50%.

LE8800 15W/40 in my smart fortwo (from first service onwards) which went to 75,000 miles before needing the oil control rings attending to. Most expire by 50,000 miles.

LE8130 10W/30 in my Chevrolet Suburban Vortec 5.7l. No problems, doesn't burn a drop.

edit PS. And when the smart engine was opened up its internals were clean - unlike the filth inside the examples that failed at 50,000 miles.

API CK-4 CAR engine oil products Castrol , Fuchs , Shell , Valvoline , Gulf , Total , etc ?

 

[E55BOF]

We've seen it...

How about on oil?

 

[Gazwould]

No I kept it...




We are talking API at the moment to your poorly informed friend , he can talk ACEA too if he wants but it's all the same garden path .

 

[Bellow]

API CK-4 CAR engine oil products Castrol , Fuchs , Shell , Valvoline , Gulf , Total , etc ?

Show me them.

 

[grober]

432,000 mile engine | General Discussion

Interesting video. Just goes to show how simply regularly changing your oil/ servicing (at the correct mileage intervals) can make your engine last forever!

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[alabbasi]

the Castrol EDGE 5W-30 LL is listed but without the Titanium spec...

I don't think titanium would make a good lubricant

 

[Bellow]

No I kept it...




We are talking API at the moment to your poorly informed friend , he can talk ACEA too if he wants but it's all the same garden path .

The question I asked is still unanswered. Namely why all the oils you recommend cannot meet the current API CK-4 spec but are stuck at a 1994 spec (CF-4) when the latest spec includes at least one factor known to reduce oxidation ie, aeration/foaming?

But if you want to talk ACEA, your Castrol oil that meets the VW spec is C3 Light Duty:

''ACEA C3 Stable, stay-in-grade Engine Oil with Mid SAPS-Level, intended for use as catalyst compatible Oil at extended Drain Intervals in Vehicles with all Types of modern Aftertreatment Systems and High Performance Passenger Car & Light Duty Van Gasoline & DI Diesel Engines that are designed to be capable of using Oils with a minimum HTHS Viscosity of 3.5 mPa*s.''

Mine meets ACEA E9 Heavy Duty:

''ACEA E9 Stable, stay-in-grade oil providing effective control with respect to piston cleanliness and bore polishing. It further provides excellent wear control, soot handling and lubricant stability. It is recommended for highly rated diesel engines meeting Euro I, Euro II, Euro III, Euro IV, Euro V and Euro VI emission requirements and running under severe conditions, e.g. extended oil drain intervals according to the manufacturer's recommendations. It is suitable for engines with or without particulate filters, and for most EGR engines and for most engines fitted with SCR NOx reduction systems. E9 is strongly recommended for engines fitted with particulate filters and is designed for use in combination with low sulphur diesel fuel.''

Source: ACEA Engine Oil Specifications - oilspecifications.org

 

[Gazwould]

Show me them.

I'm asking you for a CAR engine oil that is API CK-4 but you aren't providing one so this is not a use truck oil in your car engine thread .