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Dog Guard fitted, any ideas on how to stop dog getting seatbelt?

Neighbour has a similar issue and bought a twin dog cage.

They are fixed in so you do lose the boot.

A bit of ply, a hinge and a small bolt to each side could also work
 
We have had DT Boxes over the years for several vehicles.
They do list one for the GLA too.
Not cheap, but cheaper than chomping through belts and seats.


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Taser ?
 
That's nice and safe!!!
I wont tell it again but I I know a very nasty tail about a customer who used to let his Jack Russel be on the parcel shelf in his car....I wont go into detail again....but neither man or the dog are with us any longer. Dogs cages are optional IMO....none of my dogs (all Springers...all now deceased) ever chewed anything in the car......but a restraint should be a legal requirement IMO.
 
a restraint should be a legal requirement IMO.

Rule 57​

When in a vehicle make sure dogs or other animals are suitably restrained so they cannot distract you while you are driving or injure you, or themselves, if you stop quickly. A seat belt harness, pet carrier, dog cage or dog guard are ways of restraining animals in cars.

As usual vague and open to interpretation.
It seems to me that it will make money for a lawyer or 2 when the police charge, and someone decides to defend.

In fact that already has interpretation to it imo.
The law was designed, as far as I'm aware, to prevent driver distraction. and also to prevent persons injury from flying dogs. Now there is statement to prevent injury to the dog that I don't remember from originally reading the 'suitably constrained' requirement.

To me a loose dog in a cage could easily become injured as it travels into the front grill in a frontal.
A dog clipped into a seat belt retainer could become entangled. The risk of a suffocation / broken neck in an accident if securing a collared dog is fairly obvious.

I defy anyone to strap a dog securely in the back and then successfully train the dog to remain still on a significant journey. Our cars are rarely designed to accommodate a dog that likes to reposition regularly.

In short while the intention of this recent legislation is clear, it has been designed by theorists, again, and there are too many scenarios for it to reliably stand up to real life.

Our 60Kg of Mishka has the 2 seats of the bench in the back of the Viano.
That is rotated 180 so that the backrest is against our 2 front seat backrests.
In a frontal she would splat against a cushioned surface.
She is too large to be able to pass over the top and between the headrests.
To improve her comfort a sheet of 9mm ply is secured onto the base, and edges rounded and with foam atop.
I have various covers that can be exchanged depending on the dirty / wet walk.

Some plod might insist that she should be caged or clipped in securely, and then we would engage in a discussion.
In my opinion w/o airbags she has as good as it gets.
 
The law was designed, as far as I'm aware, to prevent driver distraction. and also to prevent persons injury from flying dogs. Now there is statement to prevent injury to the dog that I don't remember from originally reading the 'suitably constrained' requirement.

Not just dogs in cars of course - it says 'vehicle' and 'animals'. So that would apply to cattle/pigs/sheep/etc. in a truck or trailer as well - good luck with getting those all secured in harnesses!:D And I don't remember reading that bit originally, either.

To me a loose dog in a cage could easily become injured as it travels into the front grill in a frontal.

100% and it's a conversation I've had with people who have chosen certain types of cage that are marketed as being particularly safe. Normally this means that they are a bit stronger than usual but modern vehicles are pretty good and if an accident is severe enough that the structure is badly crushed then the type of cage probably isn't going to make much difference. Never mind the fact that the unrestrained dogs inside it will likely have sustained broken necks from being thrown around.

As a small aside if you travel with a dog in the car (no matter how/where it's secured) it's really important it has a secure collar (or even better, harness) on because getting it out safely at the side of a the road after an accident (even a relatively minor one) may be difficult otherwise. A panicked dog may bolt and get hit by another vehicle.

Another thing is to make sure that you can quickly and easily get the dogs out through the middle of the vehicle if necessary - the tailgate may well be jammed after a rear-end impact. Better cages have 'escape doors' at the front to allow this, although this is sometimes a cost option :doh:. Inward opening ones (sometimes called 'Police doors') are good as they can't get blocked by seat backs or anything in the vehicle.

A really secure dog guard that can't easily be pulled/pushed over can give similar issues after an accident.
 
Not just dogs in cars of course - it says 'vehicle' and 'animals'. So that would apply to cattle/pigs/sheep/etc. in a truck or trailer as well - good luck with getting those all secured in harnesses!:D And I don't remember reading that bit originally, either.



100% and it's a conversation I've had with people who have chosen certain types of cage that are marketed as being particularly safe. Normally this means that they are a bit stronger than usual but modern vehicles are pretty good and if an accident is severe enough that the structure is badly crushed then the type of cage probably isn't going to make much difference. Never mind the fact that the unrestrained dogs inside it will likely have sustained broken necks from being thrown around.

As a small aside if you travel with a dog in the car (no matter how/where it's secured) it's really important it has a secure collar (or even better, harness) on because getting it out safely at the side of a the road after an accident (even a relatively minor one) may be difficult otherwise. A panicked dog may bolt and get hit by another vehicle.

Another thing is to make sure that you can quickly and easily get the dogs out through the middle of the vehicle if necessary - the tailgate may well be jammed after a rear-end impact. Better cages have 'escape doors' at the front to allow this, although this is sometimes a cost option :doh:. Inward opening ones (sometimes called 'Police doors') are good as they can't get blocked by seat backs or anything in the vehicle.

A really secure dog guard that can't easily be pulled/pushed over can give similar issues after an accident.
The MIMSafe cages as mentioned previously have an escape door at the rear (as do a few others)
 
That's nice and safe!!!
I wont tell it again but I I know a very nasty tail about a customer who used to let his Jack Russel be on the parcel shelf in his car....I wont go into detail again....but neither man or the dog are with us any longer. Dogs cages are optional IMO....none of my dogs (all Springers...all now deceased) ever chewed anything in the car......but a restraint should be a legal requirement IMO.
Brings back a memory from my childhood .

When we were young , we had a few Welsh Corgis , plus at times the German Shepherds who were guard dogs at my dad's business , and when they got old , came up to the house and became family pets .

Anyway , none of the dogs were ever restrained in cars in any way back then , early 1960s , and the family car was the W110 Fintail . All Mercs of that era either had separate front seats or a front bench ( the car in question had separate seats , plus the optional cushion which fitted between them , effectively turning it into a front bench ; no seatbelts front or rear , and there was no centre console , with the car being column change and umbrella handbrake under the dash ; other than the W113 Pagoda SLs ( with floor change and handbrake lever on left side of the tunnel , which was not moved for RHD ) , this was standard setup in 1950s and 1960s Mercs ; very rarely some cars had floor change , but floor change was rarely specified .

I can still clearly remember the Corgis used to sit either on the front passenger seat , or on the lap of whoever was sitting there , and with the front quarterlight open , often stuck their nose there to get air . On the occasion I recall , said Corgi jumped down off my lap into the passenger footwell , then without warning , over to the drivers footwell , and stretched out behind the clutch and brake pedals ! My mum got into a bit of a panic over this and tried to kick the dog out of the way , no luck ; I shouted to her to turn off the engine and use the handbrake - fortunately the road was clear and we came to a stop without hitting anything - but it would have been a very different story if there had been anything in front .

After that , the dogs were usually left at home , or someone was put in charge of them .

Back in those days , seatbelts , child restraints and dog restraints were unheard of ; I remember my sisters , when they were babies , being in a carry cot that just sat on the back seat , not secured in any way . Front seat belts started to be fitted around 1964 , but we still had that Fintail with no seatbelts until 1970 , and I never had a car with rear seatbelts until my first W123 which I got around 1980 , but they were never fitted to the W114/W115 series , other than as an optional extra after the facelift circa 1973 . Airbags were never thought of even then , and ABS was only introduced in the W116 6.9 , before percolating down the ranges , but lots of W123 and W201 cars never had it , which included my first W201.

The German Shepherds never went in the car , mostly going in the back of one of the Land Rovers if being taken anywhere , some had a bulkhead between front and back , some were open right through .
 
Highway code "rules" are very different to the law. Many of them are not enforced or enforceable........many are not a lot more than good advice.
 
Highway code "rules" are very different to the law. Many of them are not enforced or enforceable........many are not a lot more than good advice.
And sometimes even poor advice - such as advising drivers to stop on roundabouts to allow pedestrians to cross the road at exits , or advising cyclists to plough on down the left of left turning traffic - advice generally penned by non-drivers !
 
I can’t help but wonder if ‘the dog chewing the seatbelt’ is an euphemism.😂
There was a picture right at the beginning showing the chewed seatbelt , which will need to be replaced before the next MOT .
 
There was a picture right at the beginning showing the chewed seatbelt , which will need to be replaced before the next MOT .

We had the same happen to one of my wife's cars - either her Audi A4 Avant or her S203 (neither of which were used to carry dogs very often). A new seatbelt wasn't cheap!
 
We had the same happen to one of my wife's cars - either her Audi A4 Avant or her S203 (neither of which were used to carry dogs very often). A new seatbelt wasn't cheap!
Indeed !

But an aftermarket supplier like Quickfit SBS , from whom I got the rear 3 point belts for my R129 may well be more cost effective , and just as good as a genuine M-B belt from a dealership .

I think they also offer a repair service , so if the original belt was removed from an M-B car , they may well be able to rebuild it as new , with new webbing in the original housing ? I seem to recall they offered that service ?
 
Brings back a memory from my childhood .

When we were young , we had a few Welsh Corgis , plus at times the German Shepherds who were guard dogs at my dad's business , and when they got old , came up to the house and became family pets .

Anyway , none of the dogs were ever restrained in cars in any way back then , early 1960s , and the family car was the W110 Fintail . All Mercs of that era either had separate front seats or a front bench ( the car in question had separate seats , plus the optional cushion which fitted between them , effectively turning it into a front bench ; no seatbelts front or rear , and there was no centre console , with the car being column change and umbrella handbrake under the dash ; other than the W113 Pagoda SLs ( with floor change and handbrake lever on left side of the tunnel , which was not moved for RHD ) , this was standard setup in 1950s and 1960s Mercs ; very rarely some cars had floor change , but floor change was rarely specified .

I can still clearly remember the Corgis used to sit either on the front passenger seat , or on the lap of whoever was sitting there , and with the front quarterlight open , often stuck their nose there to get air . On the occasion I recall , said Corgi jumped down off my lap into the passenger footwell , then without warning , over to the drivers footwell , and stretched out behind the clutch and brake pedals ! My mum got into a bit of a panic over this and tried to kick the dog out of the way , no luck ; I shouted to her to turn off the engine and use the handbrake - fortunately the road was clear and we came to a stop without hitting anything - but it would have been a very different story if there had been anything in front .

After that , the dogs were usually left at home , or someone was put in charge of them .

Back in those days , seatbelts , child restraints and dog restraints were unheard of ; I remember my sisters , when they were babies , being in a carry cot that just sat on the back seat , not secured in any way . Front seat belts started to be fitted around 1964 , but we still had that Fintail with no seatbelts until 1970 , and I never had a car with rear seatbelts until my first W123 which I got around 1980 , but they were never fitted to the W114/W115 series , other than as an optional extra after the facelift circa 1973 . Airbags were never thought of even then , and ABS was only introduced in the W116 6.9 , before percolating down the ranges , but lots of W123 and W201 cars never had it , which included my first W201.

The German Shepherds never went in the car , mostly going in the back of one of the Land Rovers if being taken anywhere , some had a bulkhead between front and back , some were open right through .
re said Fintail , this is it , and that's me leaning out of the passenger window !

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Dog starts trashing my car and it's history. Big blue injection and 6 feet under.

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Brings back a memory from my childhood .

When we were young , we had a few Welsh Corgis , plus at times the German Shepherds who were guard dogs at my dad's business , and when they got old , came up to the house and became family pets .

Anyway , none of the dogs were ever restrained in cars in any way back then , early 1960s , and the family car was the W110 Fintail . All Mercs of that era either had separate front seats or a front bench ( the car in question had separate seats , plus the optional cushion which fitted between them , effectively turning it into a front bench ; no seatbelts front or rear , and there was no centre console , with the car being column change and umbrella handbrake under the dash ; other than the W113 Pagoda SLs ( with floor change and handbrake lever on left side of the tunnel , which was not moved for RHD ) , this was standard setup in 1950s and 1960s Mercs ; very rarely some cars had floor change , but floor change was rarely specified .

I can still clearly remember the Corgis used to sit either on the front passenger seat , or on the lap of whoever was sitting there , and with the front quarterlight open , often stuck their nose there to get air . On the occasion I recall , said Corgi jumped down off my lap into the passenger footwell , then without warning , over to the drivers footwell , and stretched out behind the clutch and brake pedals ! My mum got into a bit of a panic over this and tried to kick the dog out of the way , no luck ; I shouted to her to turn off the engine and use the handbrake - fortunately the road was clear and we came to a stop without hitting anything - but it would have been a very different story if there had been anything in front .

After that , the dogs were usually left at home , or someone was put in charge of them .

Back in those days , seatbelts , child restraints and dog restraints were unheard of ; I remember my sisters , when they were babies , being in a carry cot that just sat on the back seat , not secured in any way . Front seat belts started to be fitted around 1964 , but we still had that Fintail with no seatbelts until 1970 , and I never had a car with rear seatbelts until my first W123 which I got around 1980 , but they were never fitted to the W114/W115 series , other than as an optional extra after the facelift circa 1973 . Airbags were never thought of even then , and ABS was only introduced in the W116 6.9 , before percolating down the ranges , but lots of W123 and W201 cars never had it , which included my first W201.

The German Shepherds never went in the car , mostly going in the back of one of the Land Rovers if being taken anywhere , some had a bulkhead between front and back , some were open right through .
re said Fintail , this is it , and that's me leaning out of the passenger window !

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Awesome and the MB looks stunning too ;)

A Welsh Corgi is gorgeous and quite a dog for it's size, so being in a footwell I would imagine not much space to spare around them, but to have slinked over to the drivers side must have been truly scary for you and your mum, really quick thinking by you though to shut the engine down.

Back in the day we never let our dogs in the 'cars' only because of the size, slobber, hair and number we had, so we bought them their own van/dogmobile. I kitted it out for them to prevent any unwanted jumping out of an open door until we were ready, and we could leave a door or more open and know they were safe inside getting plenty of air if we parked up for a stop somewhere.

We did have a LWB 4x4 that was useful especially when we lived in the Forest of Dean, and a few were allowed in there from time to time, no problem.

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How you are going to safely restrain 12 Great Danes and 5 Bulldogs along with a few CKCS I really haven't a clue.


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