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Ash how does this leaked ECP brake disc quality scale info corolate with your experience ?
Eurobrake brake pads?
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I have not seen ECP do one of those in years.
The fact is its not correct at all. Unipart pulled out in 2018 of components to the aftermarket.
Blueprint is part of of the Bilstein group and they specialise in asian models.
They're no really renowned for friction. In fact, Febi is more known for brakes than Blueprint. Same company though, Febi, Bilstein and blueprint. Bilstein is the parent firm. They also own Swag.
Juratek is almost like a rebranded LPR pad. Motaquip, never seen one of the pads.
Borg & Beck is tied with Firstline. Borg & Beck released a new line of discs about two years ago. They claim to offer a lighter disc without any compromise.
I just cant buy in the biased literature ECP always seem to produce.
Even Unipart... They are certainly better than Eicher, the ECP in-house brand.
In fact, Unipart did so well. TMD Friction once went after them.
Unipart gets attacked a lot in the trade. However, they're still an OEM supplier for component's for the likes of Rolls Royce and Mclaren. Sure, the silly red box their parts use to come in looked a bit naff. However, They were far from being at the bottom of the pool.
Unipart Out perform the competition
This is a set of Unipart Discs. I know a picture does not prove the quality of their discs. However, this is a set of their discs for a VW.
Eveything about them ticks the OEM box. They produced everything for Rover. They still are involved within the rail indusry. Unipart are almost like the Delphi Lockheed of the UK.
I would say dont buy any timing kits or filters though. As its all discontinued stock. As you know with rubber, it all perishes after two to three years.
If you find their discs or pads on clearance, it should still be fine. As the rubber anti squeal shims on the pads have a lot of silicon and plastics to make them harder for the caliper piston to push against.
You can always ask the retailer to do an inspection before dispatch on the pads.
To put Ferodo with Mintex is brilliant. If I was Ferodo, I would actually legally litigate that. Especially as Ferodo make every performance pad that Brembo can offer.
How they rate Bosch is just funny. After all, Bosch is made by Allied Nippon.
Oh and at Automechanika. a woman named Claire pointed like a 14 year old at a company named LPR. I have to tell you this. It's quite amusing. She hadn't heard of LPR before and labelled them as rubbish. Then LPR pulled a direct certification for OEM approval from Ferrari. LOL!
LPR do so well in friction. Private labels that want to start up a brand usually use them. Nothing wrong with their discs or pads either. Certainly not amazing pads, but you'd be happy with them for the price bracket. I use to buy Bremsen OE, which were a re-boxed LPR pad.
When i read the title. It does say brake discs though. However, I still think for OE/OEM Quality its not true. If they were accurate, they'd probably put Fremax for discs at the top. I struggle to find anything better than Fremax for discs.
Oddly enough. I know TMD Friction make the Eicher pads. I don't know who produces their discs for them. The reason why I know is that I can put any Eicher brake pad part number into my TMD Friction database and it matches a Mintex part number. The discs on the otherhand never do.
TRW are OEM for Jaguar, Land Rover, Nissan and even some Honda models too in the friction department.
No mention of even NK/SBS in there.
If i was to buy budget, I would sooner buy National Auto Parts. They only make pads, discs and clutches.
BrakeWorld... They went bust back in Jan 2017. I know that as they sold me a lost of pads for the K11 Micra. something silly like £1.20 per set and i took about 200 from them.
Micra owners are so tight when it comes to their parts. lol
Brake Engineering. I cant comment about. The part numbers look similar to a brand named Trupart.
Whatever you do, avoid Abtex brake pads. Also avoid nipparts and Herth + Buss. They're awful quality. The brakes scream like foxes at night.
Sorry for the essay. I'll stop it from here. lol.
No mention of ATE though in there! LOL!
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Interested in your thoughts on the powerstop pads, I'm thinking of using those next.Brake discs just arrived from AutodocJust waiting on Amazon Global for the Powerstop ceramic pads. Will be a while yet
but that's ok.
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Dont install them using any copper paste.
Use a sachet of Wurth Brake Paste.
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Ashlee, do you have any thoughts on the powerstop ceramic pads from the states?
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Until today, I had neve heard of them. Not hearing of them does not mean they're not any good though.
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Copper paste actually voids the Warranty on brake pads.
Copper is a conductor of heat and electricity. You only increase the transfer of heat trough to your calipers and raise the temp of brake fluid.
Never use that stuff. It's awful
I always use Wurth products, they're usually a bit more expensive, but they really are better quality than the other brands of paste.
Also copper paste turns horrible after a few months. Its like the residue you get when you clap your hands together when you handle a moth.
Also wurth paste is really good to use on the thread of spark plugs and the assembly hub.. I actually use to have aluminum air valves and used it on that too. The stuff just performs and performs. Even some Superbike teams have the stuff on hand too.
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Brilliant, thanks for your advice
A couple of years ago I fitted some Mintex discs and pads to a Focus, never used their grease just copper paste, although sparingly.
A couple of years ago I fitted some Mintex discs and pads to a Focus, never used their grease just copper paste, although sparingly.
According to them, they come with brake paste. Will let you know the make & get your opinion
MB is quite particular in terms of brake paste usage.
Depending whether it's a Brembo, Ate, Advics, TRW etc. caliper different paste is required. Also they are very specific where it has to be applied.
In case of an S-Class 217/222 AMG no paste should be used at all.
Front pads replacement manual
Rear pads replacement manual
Some types of a genuine mb paste are copper based same as Wurth is.
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Textar and Pagid also do that in a tube. It's not bad. Certainly better than any Copper Paste.
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Correct. Wurth Paste sachet has element or traces of copper. However, until I was taught about Copper. I never knew it was a compound and had several elements. We as humans even have it in out livers somehow.
However, Copper is also a general term as we can get many elements and variations of copper. Most people think of the Copper that looks like Bronze when we see cables. Or in this instance, copper paste.
However, you get totally different chemical properties if you refine copper again and again. When they mine for copper, its not that bronze like colour we're use to.
just one example of how you can take an element of copper is:
Cuprous chloride
Depending on how Copper is refined and processed. They can extract the parts they want in a chemist and even use Copper for preserving things such as wood.
Makes me wish I took Science and chemistry more serious at school. I could have perhaps been a well paid chemist for Shell by now. lol
Next time I change a set of pads, I'll open a sachet of Wurth Paste as its quite interesting to observe and inspect.
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With those performance calipers, they're almost maintenance free. Only time you would want to maybe add paste is if you used upgraded Shims for track use.
I think hardbrakes.com use to offer the upgraded shims. But then you sometimes need low profile brake linings. I'm unsure of the thickness of their shims they offer. They may differ from each application. I remember people with E82/E88 Coupe 135i's buying them a few years ago. Then the market for those models suddenly went quiet.
Also, as you don't have any "ears" on those pads, no need for the paste.
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We use a high temp brake grease to fit our pads. Its excellent stuff.
I haven't used copper grease in about 20 years. Horrible stuff and very very old fashioned. Its banned in my workshop.
We use genuine brake parts 99% of the time. There are some reasons for this.
1. They fit first time
2. They fit first time
3. I don't have to question the quality
4. The price is reasonable
5. They fit first time
6. 2 Year warranty
7. They fit first time
I haven't used copper grease in about 20 years. Horrible stuff and very very old fashioned. Its banned in my workshop.
We use genuine brake parts 99% of the time. There are some reasons for this.
1. They fit first time
2. They fit first time
3. I don't have to question the quality
4. The price is reasonable
5. They fit first time
6. 2 Year warranty
7. They fit first time
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We use a high temp brake grease to fit our pads. Its excellent stuff.
I haven't used copper grease in about 20 years. Horrible stuff and very very old fashioned. Its banned in my workshop.
We use genuine brake parts 99% of the time. There are some reasons for this.
1. They fit first time
2. They fit first time
3. I don't have to question the quality
4. The price is reasonable
5. They fit first time
6. 2 Year warranty
7. They fit first time
I've never had a set of pads that don't fit first time by brands like NK, Ferodo, Textar, Icer, Eurobrake, Fremax, TRW and Jurid.. Even Galfer etc.
The only thing I like about the Merc branded pads. Is they include new "brake hardware". Like the Anti rattle clips and a fresh set of caliper screws (assuming they're not Brembo or AMG performance calipers)
Icer gives a 2 year warranty too. They'll also never delaminate.
Made in Spain it says on the box. Clearly Merc don't make any pads.
When you're underneath a car all day, you get your favourite brands which never let you down. Just look at Scotty Kilmer. lol
I cant think of anything I would use Copper Paste for in 2020. I would not use it on even a wheel hub.
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Have just ordered a set of front Powerstop ceramic pads. Seems a bit daft having no/low dust on the back & normal on the front. Amazon global £59.54, delivery by 27 Jan. Hope the rears arrive by thenBrake discs just arrived from Autodoc
