Every car journey recorded!!!

[jamsh]

See HERE

 

[glojo]

See HERE

Now you have posted the link, what are your thoughts?

Nice link and personally I have absolutely no problem with it, but stand by for 'Big Brother' posts.

I am sure it will be used in a sensible manner and not to catch speeding motorist.

I will object STRONGLY if ANY information is sold to any private agency though.

John

 

[Parrot of Doom]

Sensible manner? Do me a favour, this government can't run any computer system without it going grossly overbudget.

I've done absolutely nothing wrong, yet my movements are being monitored - thats a violation of my privacy, the authorities have no right to hold information on my movements.

Put it this way - would you mind if the police searched your house every day, while you were at work? You've done nothing wrong, whats to worry about?

 

[marc777]

Got to be a good idea - God I must be getting old ! There was a day.....

You can see how it will assist in identifying fleeing suspects of any crime.

As John has rightly said, we have to hope that the information is used sensibly.

Marc

 

[imadoofus]

I think it's an exaggeration though...

My mum, and my sister for instance, both live in rural areas where the nearest traffic or CCTV cam must be at least ten miles away. I'm aware of only one camera on my (admittedly short) route to the office, and that isn't operating at the moment.

PJ

 

[glojo]

Sensible manner? I've done absolutely nothing wrong, yet my movements are being monitored - thats a violation of my privacy, the authorities have no right to hold information on my movements.

America is an ideal example of 'Information Overload' they have so much so called intelligence, that it becomes history before anyone gets the oppurtunity to review a large proportion of it.

I can only assume that you are an honest, law abiding citizen that has nothing to hide?

Do you honestly think that 'someone' is sat behind a desk monitoring your every movement? Your every bank transaction?

Why do you think they would monitor you as an individual?

I criticise our Police for not having up todate computer technology, and I wonder how loud you would shout if they actually failed to check CCTV footage in their attempts at catching say the Bradford robbers. It is very fashionable to cite terrorism, but I hope htey will be used to catch all types of serious criminal.

Talk about damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Sorry to again be disagreeing with you, and please accept that it is only because I enjoy a healthy debate.

Oh and like Imadoofus I think it a GROSS exaggeration

Kind regards,
John

 

[BonzoDog]

Displacement

In the article it mentions the problem of 'Displacement' i.e. moving crime from one area to another and that would be my concern. Every action creates a reaction e.g. better High Street security displaces crime to easier urban targets, better car security reduces theft but increases car-jacking.
I share the mistrust of politicians and most of those who exercise authortity but overall this could help reduce crime but only if it is throught through from A to Z and not just from A to B.

 

[portzy]

I suppose (assume?) that this will be classed as "data" held on you as an individual or your vehicle as it being your property therefore could you, theoretically at least, request full details of all the information held on the said computer for a couple of quid?.

Portzy

 

[Tilly]

I have no problem whatsoever with it providing they use it for the stated reasons, catching people to and from crimescenes etc to reduce thefts or whatever it may be. I just see one major flaw... These are meant to have character recognition for the reg plates.... that shows where the vehicle reg was and not the car itself, its hardly common sense that if you want to do a robbery you could quite easily steal someones plates off a random car in a cul de sac and stick them on some other car to do the thefts and then what happens?? Major flaw meaning the millions of pounds of our tax paying money has gone down the drain. Im just your average 18 year old lad and have managed to pick this to pieces already so just imagine what someone in the underground crime world is capable of doing. It in effect makes robberies easier for them because they can frame innocent people.

 

[imadoofus]

I think the idea is that the system could be used to track individuals or vehicles, rahter than to immediately identify them.

Yes, a car can carry false plates, but if it's photographed outside Knobley's Bank in the High Street at 2:38, wearing false plates, then it's likely that it will still be wearing them when it's photographed turning into Grott Park Industrial Estate at 2:46.

OK, at that point you don't know who was in it, but you know where it went.

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Several people have said that the system would be acceptable, as long as it's used only to catch criminals. Surely we all agree that prevention is better than cure, and if this system can be used to prevent crimes being committed, then it's a good thing.

I am also concerned about my privacy. However, I am realistic enough to realise that nobody (except my wife, hopefully) is going to give a monkey's about where I may or may not go when my wife thinks I'm at the supermarket, as long as I'm not doing anything illegal. And I'm not. Anybody who wants to stalk me can do so now, without having to join the CDA or whoever it will be, and getting a job on the camera monitoring desk.

I've got nothing to hide, and if somebody wants to spy on me living out my own dull life in my own tedious way, then bully for them.

PJ

 

[Tilly]

I agree with what you're saying but it never mentions taking a photo, by the sounds of things it uses character recognition and is purely a database of letters and numbers. I may be wrong but surely with the amount of traffic on the roads to take photos wouldnt be possible as it would have to be continuous footage in many places as its always busy and it just wouldnt be economical. Just seems to have too many large flaws and possible back doors to the system and more expensive and complicated than they make out

 

[glojo]

Im just your average 18 year old lad and have managed to pick this to pieces already so just imagine what someone in the underground crime world is capable of doing. It in effect makes robberies easier for them because they can frame innocent people.

I find the 'average' 18 year old very quick at finding fault, but very slow at coming up with a sensible, practicle alternative. Sorry for the age response, but it is Christmas.

Your observations are fair, but unfair. The example I gave of the robbery of the Tourist Agency in Bradford being a good example. The muderers were quickly identified simply because of this modern technology. Video footage of the car is good, but getting the index number is a plus. If criminals were really clever they would get proper jobs. We have just had a burglar jailed for six months. He committed £2000 of damage getting into an office, he stole a safe, then spent hours trying to open it without success. In court the owners of the safe stated it was empty and was waiting to be replaced He was convicted for the damage he had caused and for a number of other offences.

Our town has all its CCTV camera's linked to vehicle recognition equipment but we simply do not have the Police to take advantage of its excellent capabilities. It can even highlight uninsured vehicles?? and I would dearly love to see these drivers 'victimized' to the full extent of the law, but it will never happen.

John

 

[Rose Chap]

I'm with Parrot of Doom on this one. The notion of keeping the population under surveillance is seriously sinister. Sure they can 'sell' it to the general population on the grounds of reducing terrorism or major crime, but I don't trust the government and its associated agencies for a second not to abuse this technology.

Exactly the same story as ID cards if you ask me - massive erosion of our civil liberties. The government needs to justify why its tracking/recording me, it shouldn't be up to me to justify why I don't want to be tracked/recorded by the government. Innocent until proven guilty!

Andy

 

[Tilly]

I find the 'average' 18 year old very quick at finding fault, but very slow at coming up with a sensible, practicle alternative. Sorry for the age response, but it is Christmas.

Your observations are fair, but unfair. The example I gave of the robbery of the Tourist Agency in Bradford being a good example. The muderers were quickly identified simply because of this modern technology. Video footage of the car is good, but getting the index number is a plus. If criminals were really clever they would get proper jobs. We have just had a burglar jailed for six months. He committed £2000 of damage getting into an office, he stole a safe, then spent hours trying to open it without success. In court the owners of the safe stated it was empty and was waiting to be replaced He was convicted for the damage he had caused and for a number of other offences.

Our town has all its CCTV camera's linked to vehicle recognition equipment but we simply do not have the Police to take advantage of its excellent capabilities. It can even highlight uninsured vehicles?? and I would dearly love to see these drivers 'victimized' to the full extent of the law, but it will never happen.

John

I do see what you're saying and I agree with it to an extent, my opinion of the system all lies upon whether its a character recognition system or whether it gives photographic evidence. If its photographic then yes, Im all for it, I think its amazing. When people say they like the idea of their own privacy. Why is a camera seeing you out and about any different to a person in the street watching you drive by? I know this is a bit of a genralisation but I dont understand why people aren't happy with allowing something that could keep them safe. It is a strange feeling that you're being observed I agree but at the same time its only in public places and is for our own safety, we still have the privacy of our own homes. My only worry would be people managing to find a flaw in such a massive system. Like the introduction of any law/system etc. perfection takes time and until and loopholes are closed Id be worried about innocent people taking the fall for others

 

[Dave Lewis]

I think that having my movements recorded and stored by a government agency without my permission a gross infringement on my privacy, and cannot be justified, even in the current Culture of Fear. It's frightening to think what people will accept as being OK without thinking about the context. What next? Spying on our neighbours?
We fought world wars and cold wars to protect our freedoms. Now we just roll over and accept 24 hour CCTV surveillance, along with other erosions of civil liberties.
I'm not at all happy about it.

 

[Tilly]

true but wherever you are in the world there are always laws which restrict our freedom of what we can do which regardless of any wars etc, are always going to be there and these are only extra measures to enforce those laws, they arent restricting our freedom in a bad way. Only restricting our freedom as such by preventing us from committing crimes and so I know everyone has different opinions but in my eyes thats why I would be happy with such a system. Its no different to how we are living at the moment, we are already on CCTV however many times a day as it is so to the crime system it is a big technoligical advance. To the average citizen, its no different to how they're living at the moment unless they're into something dodgy on the wrong side of the law

 

[portzy]

Having thought a little more.........

I have just recently walked across to the other side of Bradford City centre and back again. During this walk I took in various shops and shopping malls with plenty of CCTV but, I dont feel "infringed".

Somehow though, being tracked in my car does still bother me. Do we just become complacent after a while do you think and, what rattled our cages earlier simply becomes the norm and acceptable?


Portzy.

 

[jamsh]

Related

Here
it seems is the logical extension of this.

 

[glojo]

Somehow though, being tracked in my car does still bother me. Do we just become complacent after a while do you think and, what rattled our cages earlier simply becomes the norm and acceptable?


Portzy.

Don't forget all the iddy biddy little black boxes in the car that can tell the manufacture all different types of information about how you operate your vehicle?

Now will I be able to sleep tonight???

Hmmm doctors now put ALL our medical history onto computers....

John the stirrer

 

[Madferrit]

I'm surprised the Independent article says it has taken 25years to develop. This kind of surveillance has been around and has been developed for a very long time. You merely need to look at things like Digital Angel (no link, please google it) and you'll see how ready Big Brother is to watch our every movement. I've heard the system devised by that company, has been tested on humans, so we're moments away of having our every footstep logged, along with our cars.

I do find it a problem that in a supposedly free world i'm not free to move without being watched. I don't feel to live like a prisoner before i've commited a crime, and for the record, i don't intend to commit any crime.

Does anyone know if you can get backissues online of Sunday Times Magazines? There was a fab article some years ago which talked about all this.