F1 2019

[bob6600]

He’s being shown up now by CL, the latter being let down (apart from by team orders, of course) by his inexperience.

He was also shown up by Daniel Ric in 2013 and quickly fled to Ferrari to ensure no.1 status

 

[Nat]

What a poor decision to penalise SV.

 

[GeeJayW]

Hmm... not totally comfortable with that decision and (having worked with him) I like Emanuele Pirro too.

 

[GeeJayW]

What a poor decision to penalise SV.

There are precedents, but I agree.

 

[Nat]

Hmm... not totally comfortable with that decision and (having worked with him) I like Emanuele Pirro too.

I couldn't see where he could have gone. At least SV was classed as finishing 2nd - it could have been worse if CL was less than 5 seconds away.

 

[AMGeed]

Result ruined by the stewards IMO.
I am a LH fan, but he struck lucky today

 

[GeeJayW]

I couldn't see where he could have gone. At least SV was classed as finishing 2nd - it could have been worse if CL was less than 5 seconds away.

I guess that having been forced into a mistake, he made sure of maintaining an advantage by using all of the track. Could he have used less of the track by backing out to recover control of the car? Maybe, maybe not. I'm surprised the stewards went the way they did, but can kind of see why.

 

[DSM10000]

But regardless of any of our views on the decision it seems that, once again SV cannot cope when pressured?

 

[GeeJayW]

But regardless of any of our views on the decision it seems that, once again SV cannot cope when pressured?

Yes, another error under pressure from SV, a second time in Canada.

 

[AMGeed]

^ That just about sums it up.

Edit..response to Post 367

 

[rtfm]

SV was once again panicked into a mistake and nearly lost control of his car entering the chicane. His fault - simples. He re-entered the track and compromised LH’s safety. LH had to brake to avoid an accident, thereby ruining his chance to overtake. Penalty justifiably given to SV. After the race SV has shown what an unprofessional sportsman he is.


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[grober]

1. Did Seb leave the race track?
2. Did he rejoin in an unsafe manner?

Judgment seems unfair due to the track position of the two drivers at the time but had it been two back markers fighting for 9 and 10th place no-one would have batted an eyelid. The rules are there for reasons of safety. If you don't apply them to everyone they cease to be effective. The FIA race stewards were placed in an impossible situation - damned if you do damned if you don't.

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[Stratman]

Hamilton must love knowing he absolutely owns Vettel.

 

[garycat]

There is a precedent from last year, so I think it is the right decision.

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When Vettel says "Where was I supposed to go?" he should be told, "You're supposed to stay on the black stuff son". Vettel could have rejoined further to the left but he went back on the track to block Lewis asap.

 

[LTD]

I think that the key to all this is that Vettel steered to the right as his car rejoined the track.

This meant he put his car into a position that forced Hamilton to brake rather than pass.

He should have steered his car left at all times

 

[GeeJayW]

I think that the key to all this is that Vettel steered to the right as his car rejoined the track.

This meant he put his car into a position that forced Hamilton to brake rather than pass.

He should have steered his car left at all times

In his defence, if the back end is going to the right he has to steer to the right to catch it. If the telemetry shows that he kept his foot in which led to him unsettling the rear, then that suggests he could have done more to manage the error. He would though have lost position.

Seb chose to keep track position.
The stewards decided that was unfair/unsafe.
Seb spits his dummy out.
Lewis gets booed after driving the wheels off his car.

 

[Stratman]

The rules say if you leave the track you must rejoin safely. There is no way forcing another driver to brake sharply in order to avoid a collision can be considered safe.

 

[Dryce]

He should have steered his car left at all times

I don't think it's that simple.

The track is narrow and the car needs to be steered to correct it - opposite lock if required. My impression was that he didn't have much in the way of options and I think his concern was the wall. I think therefore the penalty is harsh.

Hamilton is a very very smart driver and I suspect that he probably already had the penalty scenario worked out as he setup the pass attempt. (If Mercedes are really smart they would have discussed pressuring SV and the options of gaining from a mistake when planning their race strategy). Had it been a backmarker he would have backed off.

 

[grober]

It looks as if SV clips the edge of the track on the right first or simply carries too much speed into the chicane which throws him across on to the grass on the left. He choses to keep the foot planted effectively cutting the chicane maintaining track position It can be argued he had to steer as he did to maintain control but that was only necessary because HE LEFT THE TRACK. Its necessary to rigidly define " the track " with rules [ soft boundaries] because for safety reasons its preferable to the alternative which would be solid barriers of some sort [ hard boundaries]

 

[zipdip]

Well SV left the track,he then came back on it ,he was on the racing line,I suspect he would not have got a penalty at that point,but he makes a clear move right to stop Hamilton passing on the outside,and it was captured by two cameras,do not think the stewards had much option,it was shame for SV and Ferrari they had run a great race.