F1 2019

[grober]

Canadian Grand Prix: Ferrari lodge intention to appeal Vettel penalty decision | Formula 1®

 

[Mactech]

Canadian Grand Prix: Ferrari lodge intention to appeal Vettel penalty decision | Formula 1®

So! Now will we really see if FIA stands for Ferrari International Assistance or will it be just the same as the vast majority of appeals against the FIA?
Bit like swimming in the sea by a sewage outlet, just going through the motions

 

[Headhurts]

Vettel made the error and left the track due in all likelihood to the pressure from Hamilton.

Hamilton kept to the racing line and was in position to pass Vettel but had to brake when Vettel returned to the track and squeezed him against the wall, Hamilton did nothing wrong.

I agree it seems that Vettel had momentarily lost control of his car but the fact is it was Vettel’s error and I therefore agree with the stewards ruling.

Had Hamilton passed it may have made for a very exciting end to the race.

Robin


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[400ixl]

Outside of the stewards I have only seen two ex racers say that the penalty should have been given (Rosberg and Palmer). All the others have basically said stop ruining the racing.

 

[grober]

Would have been interesting to hear NIKI LAUDA'S take on it.

 

[st13phil]

Outside of the stewards I have only seen two ex racers say that the penalty should have been given (Rosberg and Palmer). All the others have basically said stop ruining the racing.

And both Rosberg and Palmer (in particular) made the important distinction between whether the regulations are appropriate or not and the fact that under the current regulations what Vettel did was punishable.

I think Palmer's analysis is both concise and accurate with respect to the 2019 regulations. He basically says that either Vettel knew what he was doing (according to an article in Autosport that is the view the Stewards took) in which case it was a deliberate and dangerous act that breaches one regulation, or if we accept Vettel's explanation that the car's momentum took him across the track then that is defacto proof that he was not in full control of his car and thus he is guilty of rejoining the circuit in an unsafe manner - a breach of a different regulation. Either way, he would be punished.

 

[GeeJayW]

... Hamilton did nothing wrong...

Indeed, in fact he drove an outstanding race in a car that had been in bits on the grid. And yet the crowd booed him and others have a go at him on social media etc.

I'm not surprised Ferrari are considering an appeal. It will be interesting to see if they actually go through with it or whether it's a tactic to show support for their driver who lets face it, though having had a strong weekend, has let the team down once again by making driving error whilst leading a Grand Prix.

In my opinion, a lot of Seb's anger towards the officials and their decision is actually directed against himself. He surely knows the real truth of what happened. He knows the rules of the game and knows he dropped the ball again when it mattered. Not easy to get that out of your head and not easy to accept that another driver is better than you.

 

[st13phil]

I'm not surprised Ferrari are considering an appeal. It will be interesting to see if they actually go through with it or whether it's a tactic to show support for their driver who lets face it, though having had a strong weekend, has let the team down once again by making driving error whilst leading a Grand Prix.

I hope they quietly drop it, because if they don't and it's overturned then it means that the regulations (as they stand) will be impossible to enforce by the stewards, and if it goes to appeal and isn't overturned, then Vettel will play the martyr for the rest of the season.

Rosberg, who clearly knows Vettel better than I do, made the point that Seb has massive self-belief - which in a competitive driver is good - but that the downside of that is that he always blames someone or something else for his own shortcomings instead of accepting his errors and learning from them. If Ferrari manage to persuade him to accept that he got it wrong and needs to address his own failures then he and everyone else will benefit.

 

[neilrr]

Vettel was robbed.

 

[Stratman]

As alluded to above, what the former drivers were really complaining about were the rules as they stand now, not that the penalty was unjustified within the current regulations, that's a different argument. They may well have a point and it's certainly worth debating, but as the rules are right now the penalty was correct.

 

[Bellow]

As alluded to above, what the former drivers was really complaining about were the rules as they stand now, not that the penalty was unjustified within the current regulations, that's a different argument. They may well have a point and it's certainly woth debating, but as the rules are right now the penalty was correct.

The exact same penalty delivered to Verstappen in Monaco where he squeezed Bottas into the wall (actual contact) causing Bottas to suffer a puncture necessitating a further pit stop and degradation of his final race position.
But the penalty against SV is justified on the basis of consistency.

 

[GeeJayW]

Vettel was robbed.

Vettel screwed up again and paid the price.

 

[Stratman]

Let's plat 'what if' and ask if the roles had been reversed, ie Hamilton had squeezed Vettel, would SV have been saying "That's racing, he had nowhere to go", or would he have been on the radio demanding the stewards investigate?

 

[LTD]

Let's plat 'what if' and ask if the roles had been reversed, ie Hamilton had squeezed Vettel, would SV have been saying "That's racing, he had nowhere to go", or would he have been on the radio demanding the stewards investigate?

I think we all know what the outcome would have been. Exactly the same

 

[neilrr]

He came back on the track from being on grass at about 100mph & had about 15 yards & maybe 2 seconds to collect the car & avoid the wall. He said he saw Hamilton but had no where to go.

It was a racing incident & regardless of speculation about what would have happened if the roles were reversed, if it had been any two other drivers or what have you I think the stewards should have had the common sense to say that. SV gained nothing by the manoeuvre & LH lost nothing. They came out of the incident in the same track positions they went into it.

 

[Chrishazle]

Reading some of the linked articles, the stewards had access to quite a lot of video as well as car telemetry that none of the media had access to, and were also able to view the various videos in slow motion. They saw that SV came off the grass, checked his mirrors, corrected the slide with Left Hand steering, checked his mirrors again then straightened the wheel so his car drifted right squeezing LH off the track and nearly into the wall. The unanimous view of the stewards was that SV not only rejoined unsafely, but that he also knowingly allowed his car to drift right almost causing a collision.

He could have been penalised for both breaches of the current regulations, so he could consider himself lucky that he only received the minimum penalty, as a more severe penalty would have put him at least down to 3rd and could have gone further (for example, what would a drive-through have caused?)!

 

[Stratman]

I would dispute that Vettel gained and Hamilton lost nothing. Hamilton lost a clear overtaking opportunity, one he was in the process of taking when he was forced to brake and back off. Vettel 'gained' keeping his place because of it.

 

[Bellow]

I would dispute that Vettel gained and Hamilton lost nothing. Hamilton lost a clear overtaking opportunity, one he was in the process of taking when he was forced to brake and back off. Vettel 'gained' keeping his place because of it.

Hamilton's 'clear overtaking opportunity' was created then thwarted by Vettel's mishap. It did not exist prior.

One of the misfortunes of this entire episode is that we were all denied the opportunity to see if he could have passed Vettel. Steward's office is the path of least resistance it seems irrespective of all the 'I want to race' BS which is starting to smell strongly of hypocrisy.

 

[Bellow]

Reading some of the linked articles, the stewards had access to quite a lot of video as well as car telemetry that none of the media had access to, and were also able to view the various videos in slow motion.They saw that SV came off the grass, checked his mirrors, corrected the slide with Left Hand steering, checked his mirrors again then straightened the wheel so his car drifted right squeezing LH off the track and nearly into the wall. The unanimous view of the stewards was that SV not only rejoined unsafely, but that he also knowingly allowed his car to drift right almost causing a collision.

Then why the hell don't they release it the public? It would make everyone's life easier.

 

[st13phil]

Then why the hell don't they release it the public? It would make everyone's life easier.

So a load of armchair experts wearing tin-foil hats don’t get access to data they don’t understand but can misinterpret