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GLA AMG 35 - Front Tyre "Crabbing" and excessive wear

The guy who runs that channel uses all seasons instead of winters because our climate isn't severe enough to justify winters. Granted he swaps onto summer tyres because they outperform in the warmer months but CrossClimate still works well then where a winter does not, saving the need to switch tyres.
While the Michelin Cross Climate tyres outperform traditional all season tyres in terms of their operating range, they are still inferior to high performance summer tyres in warmer conditions - i.e. for most of the UK year.

Personally, on a performance car I wouldn't compromise summer grip in an effort to reduce low speed full-lock (or near full-lock) tyre skipping in the coldest winter conditions. I had two E63's that did it on summer tyres and Angie's SLK55 does it too but it represents a miniscule fraction of the total driving time and it falls into the "so what?" category of life's problems.

If I was looking for maximum driveability in the coldest winter conditions I would (and have previously because I needed a 100% reliable commute car) fit winter tyres for that period.
 
There are dozens of tyre manufacturers and when Autobild or whoever does for instance a "Summer" tyre test, so all the tyres are suitable for the same ambient temperature, the stopping distance and handling can vary hugely between the various tyres. So my point was if tyre safety was really a main concern for Mercedes or indeed any car manufacturer why don't they just fit tyres that come out best in the tests as standard or even tell owners not to fit certain makes of tyres(that a bit big brotherish!). I presume they'll just say that each tyre still performs within the safety parameters which is why I was a bit taken aback by their opinion of the all season tyre.
Mercedes-Benz (not necessarily a franchised dealer) will only recommend tyres which have been officially homologated as Original Equipmemt for Mercedes-Benz. That is to say that they have been designed specifically for Mercedes applications, extensively tested as such, optimised and finally approved by Mercedes-Benz. As a result Mercedes can recommend homologated tyres.

Based upon their response I suspect that means that V-rated winter tyres have been homologated, but W-rated winter tyres haven’t. It also suggests that all season tyres of any speed rating haven’t been homologated either. As a result Mercedes-Benz can only recommend V rated winter tyres for use in winter driving conditions, because those are the only ones they’ve approved.

To expect Mercedes to recommend a tyre which they have not specified or approved would be like expecting them to say “we recommend X-brand brake pads because I watched a You Tube video and read a magazine article which reviewed them”. Those information sources are really useful for consumers who don’t have their own testing/data, but not so great for manufacturers who do.

The YouTube and magazine tests/reviews are very informative for consumer but ultimately are very limited for manufacturers. They’re point in time tests, with very limited test scenarios and very limited duration. That’s much more information than consumers would otherwise have but car and tyre manufacturer testing scenarios are much much more extensive and even test tyres to destruction.

To approve the tyre - and therefore buy millions of them to fit to new cars or recommend their use as replacement tyres to millions of customers - and all of the practical, safety, commercial, legal and other implications that comes with it, then Mercedes need to know how the tyre performs in more than just a point in time test performed by a YouTube channel or magazine article.

You mentioned that it makes things difficult. It couldn’t be easier really. They have recommended a single tyre for use in wintery conditions, you can choose to follow their recommendation or choose something else. Either is fine, just make the decision which is right for you, and which offers you the least degree of compromise, it’s different for all of us.

PS I have two vehicles with all season tyres on them. They work well, but don’t work as well as summer tyres in summer or winter tyres in winter. They’re not on high performance cars and don’t cover many miles so the compromise on performance is outweighed by convenience of not changing tyres. The high performance cars which I use regularly in winter have winter tyres.
 
@st13phil what you gain in winter performance from a CrossClimate is greater than what you lose in summer. If the OP wants one tyre I still think it's the best compromise. The best solution for the south of the UK is summer tyres for April to October and an all season for the colder months. Full winters are outperformed by all season on anything but freezing which is actually quite rare.
 
I had this issue on my C43. The dealer replaced all four tyres FOC with Continentals and this has greatly reduced the problem, so it would seem a more flexible tyre will help.
 
what you gain in winter performance from a CrossClimate is greater than what you lose in summer
Fair comment, perhaps, but the OP's primary concern seems to be tyre skip on full lock in cold conditions which experience tells me will be lessened, but not eliminated, by use of CrossClimate or full winter tyres but at varying degrees of cost to outright summer performance.
The best solution for the south of the UK is summer tyres for April to October and an all season for the colder months. Full winters are outperformed by all season on anything but freezing which is actually quite rare.
My concern was never performance in average conditions in winter (I just drove slower if I had to), but the ability to still use the car in freezing & snow conditions which is where full winter's (such as the Michelin PA4's I used) come into their own. I accept that others can and do have different priorities.
 
What utter nonsense. Winter tyres will often increase the braking distance when the conditions aren't bad enough. Unless it's full on icy the all season will probably brake in a shorter distance than the winter. All season tyres may be slightly less pliable than winters but they also remain flexibility under 7 degrees.

They don't know what they're on about. It's not the sidewall flexibility, it's the tread blocks. Winter tyres have deeper grooves and sipes in the blocks so they squirm around. All season tyres tend to have some sipes but less than winters.

Ignore them and fit CrossClimate.

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Great video, it brings much richer information to consumers. It’s a shame they didn’t include a high performance summer tyre, because the difference would be even more marked (or should that be even more alarming) than reported for the summer tyre, likewise braking on the damp (not wet) surface which he describes as being scary.

Although this video is much more extensive tHan most, and the facility is first class, it’s still a very limited set of scenarios. The obvious omissions are sustained cold wet driving (when maintaining tyre temperature is essential and very difficult), sustained sub-zero temperatures, and other aspects of performance beyond braking (because braking is only part of the equation).
 
The best all season tyres have ample snow performance for the odd time we get some. What's much more of an issue is how few people have suitable tyres when it snows. Therefore, even if you could drive around safely the roads are blocked by imbeciles in SUVs on summer tyres.
 
@Bobby Dazzler check out some of the back catalogue of review videos. John normally includes driving on a test facility track over multiple laps and will comment on durability plus how much a tyre sustains or drops off its performance.
 
@Bobby Dazzler check out some of the back catalogue of review videos. John normally includes driving on a test facility track over multiple laps and will comment on durability plus how much a tyre sustains or drops off its performance.
I rate him and his videos, they’re very good. That test (which you linked to) would benefit from doing the other tests I mention, but there has to be a limit as to what they can do and how they can do it, not least because it would limit the appeal of the videos.
 
Many thanks for all the views and comments. It's great to have such an enthusiastic membership. After much thought I've having 2 x Continental SportContact 6 235/50 19Y fitted at the weekend. If I'd needed 4 tyres then I would have gone for all season but the rear tyres have such good tread that it would have been criminal to ditch them. So I decided on these tyres for a few reasons, there isn't much choice in this size, they're still Y rated, they get a reasonable review, I'm spending less and I got a 10% discount. I'm aware that I'll still have some skipping issues but hopefully it'll be less noticeable. My reason for thinking this is due to the fact that this winter the skipping has been dreadful, much more than last year. There can only be 2 reasons for this, the Yokohama tyres are older by a little and the treads have worn down quite alot therefore these new tyres can only be an improvement, even if they are summer tyres. Will let you know in the due course.
 
they aren't bad tyres BUT I managed 6k miles before all 4 needed replacement not the best wear rate 👍
 
Interesting comparison here between All season and UUHP tyres. I was suprised where the differences were.

Having driven my car in a sudden unexpected blizzard on UUHP summer tyres I was genuinely shocked how well it coped.

 
Update - finally got around to fitting new front tyres - hiccup with sport contact 6 as they didn't arrive so chose conti premium contact 6 in the end. Also decided to have 4 wheel alignment done and all 4 wheels were out. Early days but the crabbing issue seems to have resolved. Don't know if it was just the alignment issue causing the problem all along but obviously the new tyres will have helped. Odd that Mercedes didn't once suggest checking wheel alignment. Will let you know if excessive wear or crabbing once again raises its ugly head.
 
Update - finally got around to fitting new front tyres - hiccup with sport contact 6 as they didn't arrive so chose conti premium contact 6 in the end. Also decided to have 4 wheel alignment done and all 4 wheels were out. Early days but the crabbing issue seems to have resolved. Don't know if it was just the alignment issue causing the problem all along but obviously the new tyres will have helped. Odd that Mercedes didn't once suggest checking wheel alignment. Will let you know if excessive wear or crabbing once again raises its ugly head.
Glad to hear that it’s improved. 👍🏻

The misalignment won’t have helped but it is unlikely to have caused the skipping. New tyres with deeper tread help, but fitting comfort orientated tyres will have also helped. Were they Y rated?
 
Glad to hear that it’s improved. 👍🏻

The misalignment won’t have helped but it is unlikely to have caused the skipping. New tyres with deeper tread help, but fitting comfort orientated tyres will have also helped. Were they Y rated?
Yes, I also think having the 8mm of new tread has helped. The tyres were 235/50 R19 103Y XL.
 
i am always of the view that this is physics, even my w212 e63s which is rwd that has pirelli P Zeroes skips madly as i reverse out of my drive and do a full turn as the sidewalls buckle. i have literally had this happen on every car with high performance low profile tyres but admittedly it can be worse on an AWD model
 
i am always of the view that this is physics, even my w212 e63s which is rwd that has pirelli P Zeroes skips madly as i reverse out of my drive and do a full turn as the sidewalls buckle. i have literally had this happen on every car with high performance low profile tyres but admittedly it can be worse on an AWD model
I currently have a BMW X4 on low profiles, no skipping, I’ve had an M3, M4, 530 X Drive touring, no skipping, I’ve had various Audi’s on low profiles, no skipping……Mercedes C63 Coupe and Mercedes GLA 35, both have skipping issues.
 
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I currently have a BMW X4 on low profiles, no skipping, I’ve had an M3, M4, 530 X Drive touring, no skipping, I’ve had various Audi’s on low profiles, no skipping……Mercedes C63 Coupe and Mercedes GLA 35, both have skipping issues.
my M3 on MP4S used to skip too on full lock reversing out the same driveway in the cold. Ackerman steering geometry. probably wont feel it in the summer, but its been there on all cars in winter. one or two non performance car tyres only squeeled a bit without the hop skip and jump on the UHP cold tyres
 
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