Luton Airport car park fire

[Dryce]

I’m just asking why EVs are depreciating so much more than their direct equivalent ICE’s?

Doesn’t it indicate consumer reluctance?

It maybe just indicates that the new cars are over priced for many private buyers - and the used car price represents a correction.

 

[Dryce]

I would advise owners of damaged cars to join forces and hire a legal team to look at their options - all it takes for one of them to put up a Facebook page for others to make contact.

In fact, I'd be surprised in the 'ambulance chasers' lawyers aren't already working on it....

How long do you have. How much is your time worth. What is your need for replacement vehicle (or the funds to cover the cost of the replacement).

If you have comprehensive insurance then you are in principle paying for additional cover *for your own interests* over and above that required by law. So you have to value the cost of that cover and the knock on cost of any claim against the costs of of any alternative.

I suspect that for most that making a claim against their own insurance is the practical option.

 

[markjay]

How long do you have. How much is your time worth. What is your need for replacement vehicle (or the funds to cover the cost of the replacement).

If you have comprehensive insurance then you are in principle paying for additional cover *for your own interests* over and above that required by law. So you have to value the cost of that cover and the knock on cost of any claim against the costs of of any alternative.

I suspect that for most that making a claim against their own insurance is the practical option.

You could collect the payout from your own insurer, and then join a collective lawsuit (if there is one) for your losses - excess, car rental, discrepancy in value, premium hike, legal fees, etc etc.

 

[Darrell]

A chap I know lost his car in the fire while he was playing golf in Spain.

He put a post on Facebook so I asked him who pays.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

A chap I know lost his car in the fire while he was playing golf in Spain.

He put a post on Facebook so I asked him who pays.

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Unconvinced.

He’s right about the insurers paying and then sorting out the responsibility, but let’s just pull out a fag packet and a pencil.

33 million vehicles Insured annually in the UK. (One million aren’t insured). Call it £20 billion a year. That’s a lot of money. So great that the Luton fire loss is actually insignificant.

If insurers are to be worried about anything, it should be that the number of cars on the road is decreasing as the Greens and Sadiqs tax and regulate Chavs off the road. Fewer cars and fewer new cars means less income, and more need to spread risk.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

It maybe just indicates that the new cars are over priced for many private buyers - and the used car price represents a correction.

Maybe.

My personal enthusiasm for trying to find an EV that fits my usage maybe colours my view.

Friends and relatives are aghast: why would you want one? Won’t a EV run out of charge? (Stupid people)

And when I look at what’s there, like the Tesla 3 and e-Golf, I just say “hopeless!” With no obvious end in sight. (Unless Mactech can soften the ride of an i3S)

(The Tesla 3 is the worst car I’ve driven this century. Even worse than the Fiat 500X)

 

[markjay]

Maybe.

My personal enthusiasm for trying to find an EV that fits my usage maybe colours my view.

Friends and relatives are aghast: why would you want one? Won’t a EV run out of charge? (Stupid people)

And when I look at what’s there, like the Tesla 3 and e-Golf, I just say “hopeless!” With no obvious end in sight. (Unless Mactech can soften the ride of an i3S)

(The Tesla 3 is the worst car I’ve driven this century. Even worse than the Fiat 500X)

I had a rented 500X while in Italy and quite liked it.... do you mean that it's not good to drive, or are you referring to long-term reliability issues?

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

I had a rented 500X while in Italy and quite liked it.... do you mean that it's not good to drive, or are you referring to long-term reliability issues?

Rented one in Biarritz for a couple of weeks.

IMHO it just seemed like some kind of Steroid abuse thing for an ex-FIAT 500 owner.

A FIAT equivalent of the MINI Countryman as a space upgrade for an ex- MINI owner. Felt slow, clumsy and ergonomically "dodgy."

My comment was all about driving and ease on the eye, not reliability.

Probably spoiled by too many VAG MQB rentals in Europe, but the 500X seemed a disaster to me.

 

[st13phil]

The Tesla 3 is the worst car I’ve driven this century. Even worse than the Fiat 500X

Haha.

A couple of friends of mine have Model 3's and love them. I‘ve driven one of them (a long range, dual motor, super-duper one) and apart from the frankly very quick acceleration from zero or low speed thought them to be clunky, ponderous and unrewarding to drive. And the build quality is laughably poor. Why anyone pays £50k+ for one is beyond me.

 

[Darrell]

Haha.
Why anyone pays £50k+ for one is beyond me.

I’d like to know what percentage of them are company cars.

 

[Will]

I’ve never driven a Tesla of any sort but the model 3 seems to get generally decent reviews.

Worst car driven this century - that’s quite a statement!

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

I’ve never driven a Tesla of any sort but the model 3 seems to get generally decent reviews.

Worst car driven this century - that’s quite a statement!

Well, this century only started 23 years ago.

As I’ve said - frequently - I want to run an EV asap, but it has to be fit for purpose.

Six weeks and 1500 miles is a fair trial of the 3 Long Range. Like the convenience of an EV, the big screen, even although it’s far from intuitive, the speed and simplicity of a supercharger, although it’s irrelevant to anyone living inside the M25, and the quiet drive train, although the cabin is measurably noisier (75db in the Burbs) than a 3 series or E class, thanks to wind noise, thumpy suspension. and the creaky cabin.

The handling is ponderous, the steering’s inaccurate, the car thumps around on poor surfaces, controls are often difficult to find, the declared range is inaccurate, the build quality, paint choices and paint finish is poor, and soft / easily marked. All round visibility is poor, with a “b” pillar that blocks the view over your should, a letterbox rear window, and difficulty seeing the edges of the car. Even with its dozen cameras, this thing is more difficult to park than a BMW 3 or Mercedes E.

There’s no way that the Tesla 3 is competitive to a BMW 3 series, C Class or Audi A4. Not in a month of Sundays.

Yes, the Tesla 3 reduces CO2. By less than the 3 tonnes of CO2 created by a Chinese student flying to the UK (return) to study at a British University. Is this any justification for buying a poor quality, over-priced, first generation EV saloon ?

It’s interesting that the Press steers well clear of EV to ICE comparisons. It smells of Emperor’s New Clothes.

If you’re thinking of buying a Tesla 3, rent one from Hertz and see what you think. (If you have to take a company EV because of the income tax break, look closely at the EV6 and Ioniq.

 

[nyssa7]

Cars trapped on top level of Luton airport car park are removed


Cars trapped on top level of Luton airport car park are removed

came home through Luton Airport on Sunday and saw the process in place. Individually lifting cars off to put on a flat bed. Either a lot of grey cars at the rear edge, of a lot of charred ones

 

[oldguy57]

Absolutely no way Id be claiming on my policy if my car had been there...because its fact of the matter that it was in no way my fault. Either its down to the owner of the car that burst into flames....or the airport who would have has a duty of care over your car...when you entered that car park and agreed to pay you entered a contract with the owners. Even if they had one of those "we are not responsible" signs (which have been proven legally worthless in the past) legally they have to be displayed BEFORE you enter the car park (most are not)....if you cant read it before entering they mean nothing.

Who are you going to claim from? You would have to prove negligence against the car owner or the airport or car park owners. Unless the car owner did something (or didn't do something) to cause the fire then there is no claim against them. The owners of the car park can't be held responsible for accidental fires. Possibly there might be questions about the quick spread of the fire but that sort of claim would take years to resolve and would cost a fortune to take forward for car owners. There might be a claim against the supplier of the vehicle for a defective product but again that would have to be proved and the costs would be eye watering. Good luck in claiming off a third party I know what I'd be doing!

 

[Petrol Pete]

This story gets stranger by the day .

I did ask a few posts ago where the hell is the owner of the car burning in the video before the whole lot went up.

Like half of the stuff I have seen I can't really believe what is being said on here regarding the driver , or this fire in general. Having said that the police have arrested someone....for what has been widley reported as an 'accident' .

' I am so rich and important so I am going to leave my burning car here and catch my flight....' ??

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[BTB 500]

Having said that the police have arrested someone....for what has been widley reported as an 'accident' .

' I am so rich and important so I am going to leave my burning car here and catch my flight....' ??

It was 13 days after the fire that he was arrested ... maybe returning from a 2-week holiday or business trip? I've not seen anything since the original statement about him being arrested on suspicion of criminal damage and released on bail. But the same BBC report also still said there was no suggestion the blaze happened intentionally.

 

[Petrol Pete]

If there is even an ounce of truth in the video I posted #375 it would be absolutely nuts to think someone would leave a car burning in a public car park and just stroll away .

It is suggested he said he was so rich the car was disposable . I would suggest if he was that rich why drive a car like that and park it himself ...or why drive at all , why not sit in the back of a decent car and be driven to the airport door. But I digress.

 

[Darrell]

If there is even an ounce of truth in the video I posted #375 it would be absolutely nuts to think someone would leave a car burning in a public car park and just stroll away .

It is suggested he said he was so rich the car was disposable . I would suggest if he was that rich why drive a car like that and park it himself ...or why drive at all , why not sit in the back of a decent car and be driven to the airport door. But I digress.

If he was that rich he wouldn’t be flying from Luton!

 

[ToeKnee]

I wonder if it was a meet and greet and the meet driver took the car to the car park and when it burst into flames he just scarpered? First owner would know it was his car was when he arrived back and got arrested??

 

[Will]

I suspect the police involvement thing is just them covering themselves considering the relatively high profile of this incident and media interest etc.