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Mercedes to ditch petrol AND diesel in 7 years

verytalldave said:
Mercedes reckon that wothin SEVEN YEARS, their entire car range will run on alternative fuels and dump petrol and diesel.

Now that will be interesting.......................:D
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Seven years!!!

I do not believeeeee it! :devil: :)

Regards
John
 
good news. lets hope it is not sabotaged by those runnning the world markets, in fear of the loss in millions from crude sales
 
I will have little to no value in my car in 5 years time if this is true.
 
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I will have little to no value in my car in 5 years time if this is true.
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Me thinks if it were true then it would be in the Daily Mail:devil: :D

Seriously,
I think IF it were true then we would be hearing about so called concept cars being tested.

Regards
John
 
glojo said:
Me thinks if it were true then it would be in the Daily Mail:devil: :D

Seriously,
I think IF it were true then we would be hearing about so called concept cars being tested.

Regards
John
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I quite like the Daily Mail :D :D, it has a unique way of putting things that I find sensible. But I see the logic in your post, its news to me and I thought I was fairly up on these sort of things
 
is it me or is there no mention of HOW they are going to ditch traditional fuel, even the F700 uses unleaded but with the concepts of a cdi engine...
 
jaymanek said:
is it me or is there no mention of HOW they are going to ditch traditional fuel, even the F700 uses unleaded but with the concepts of a cdi engine...
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I saw no real alternative hence my post:D

Me thinks this is a story in every sense of the word :devil: ;) Plus if this was an alternative source that is not being used at prrsent......... Then seven years is not a long time to refurnish all those filling stations out there?

John
 
The "alternatives" could be electric, LPG, biofuels or a combination of the 3. Or something else yet to be announced.
Or of course, it could be pure speculation. After all, the article is "exclusive" to the SUN according to the headline.
Personally, I would think something as radical as that would not be leaked to a tabloid without first being announced by Mercedes themselves to a worldwide audience.
 
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glojo said:
Then seven years is not a long time to refurnish all those filling stations out there?
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If the new "fuel" is electric then the filling stations might as well pack up and go home, unless they intend to offer charging points. Let's face it, in 7 years they will have reduced the charge time to minutes rather than hours and delivering electricity is a LOT easier than delivering petrol or diesel - you could re-fit a filling station to deliver electricity in a matter of days I'm sure.
 
Ok let's list these options as best as possible

- Palm Oil
- Ethanol
- Coal distillate
- Natural gas
- Methane / Hydrogen
- Battery
- Acetylene

These are the ones on the top of my head and they are already in testing NOW.

What Mercedes is planning to do is launch engines specific to a region and the fuel it can supply. So for example, you will see LPG and Palm Oil in Asia and Methane / Hydrogen in Europe, Battery in large cities.

By adapting the cars to the local energy supply they can reduce the cost and use of energy between continents.

Seems pointless to sell electric cars in Australia as the distances are too great and our electricity is coal generated. But in central city locations battery is fine for traffic jams (hybrid cars).
 
Shude said:
If the new "fuel" is electric then the filling stations might as well pack up and go home, unless they intend to offer charging points. Let's face it, in 7 years they will have reduced the charge time to minutes rather than hours and delivering electricity is a LOT easier than delivering petrol or diesel - you could re-fit a filling station to deliver electricity in a matter of days I'm sure.
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And of course electric charging points could be anywhere - supermarket carparks, fast food outlets, to name just 2. Petrol stations would dissappear eventually.
 
Shude said:
If the new "fuel" is electric then the filling stations might as well pack up and go home, unless they intend to offer charging points. Let's face it, in 7 years they will have reduced the charge time to minutes rather than hours and delivering electricity is a LOT easier than delivering petrol or diesel - you could re-fit a filling station to deliver electricity in a matter of days I'm sure.
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200AMP hours in say ... 10 minutes. That's 1200AMP hours. Needs a 5000amp 13V cable to be handled safely.

I dont think I want wrestle with a 2-inch thick copper conductor. It will probably always take hours if only because it handles itself a lot better.
 
miro said:
200AMP hours in say ... 10 minutes. That's 1200AMP hours. Needs a 5000amp 13V cable to be handled safely.

I dont think I want wrestle with a 2-inch thick copper conductor. It will probably always take hours if only because it handles itself a lot better.
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Yet the Lightning claims to be charged in a matter of minutes at home. How do they do that then? :)
 
miro said:
200AMP hours in say ... 10 minutes. That's 1200AMP hours. Needs a 5000amp 13V cable to be handled safely.
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Depends on voltage of pack and voltage of charging supply - it's watts that matter really. Higher voltage charging points would mean lower currents, therefore more manageable cabling. 240V supply wouldn't be unreasonable since we're already used to handling that at home. To keep things simple imagine it's DC and ignore conversion losses etc. - recharging a 12V 200 Ah battery (12x200x1 = 2400 Wh) in 10 mins would only require 60A (240x60x10/60 = 2400 Wh).
 
miro said:
- Palm Oil
- Ethanol
- Coal distillate
- Natural gas
- Methane / Hydrogen
- Battery
- Acetylene

These are the ones on the top of my head and they are already in testing NOW.
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We are talking about a seven year window to have these options being the SOLE fuel of our motor vehicles! It is NOT going to happewn (in my opinion)

No single car manufacturer can go out on a limb, it cannot and will not work. Just look how long lpg has been available and it is still not available nationwide on an easy to find basis.

A comic possibly got hold of a headed piece of paper with some speculative observations\suggestions and hey ho, off we go.

Electric might be an option but are we just seven years away from making this mainstrem and more important affordable?

Did Roger Moore buy that impressive electric sports car...... and how has this company progressed?

Regards
John
 
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