New Mercedes-AMG C63 confirmed as 650hp hybrid

[raspy]

The 206 is the same chassis, it's more of a big facelift than a new car. Therefore, the current 4.0 Biturbo would fit just fine. It's simply the classic bigger engine in cars further up the range and the C is close enough to the bottom that it's been caught up in the downsizing. They have to electrify the C and they can't have the same performance in the C paired with a V8 as the E.

@Steve84N No. The way the W206 has been designed, the engine bay only has room for an inline 4, nothing larger can fit.

 

[Steve84N]

I don't believe you. The chassis is fundamentally still the same size and clearly based on the 205. The bonnet is the same length. They might have changed the hard points with the design of nothing bigger than a 2.0 4 pot in mind but physically the V8 would have fitted fine if they'd wanted to keep it.

 

[raspy]

I don't believe you. The chassis is fundamentally still the same size and clearly based on the 205. The bonnet is the same length. They might have changed the hard points with the design of nothing bigger than a 2.0 4 pot in mind but physically the V8 would have fitted fine if they'd wanted to keep it.

@Steve84N I am glad they didn't want to keep the V8. The era of gas guzzling cars that make a disproportionate contribution to air and noise pollution is ending.

 

[HB]

Well, my finance contract on my 2019 C63 ends in 2 months. Despite absolutely loving the car, I've just put in an order for a M5 Competition. I don't care how much horsepower the new one has, I don't want an electrified 4-pot

The M5 comp is sensationally fast.

 

[Fastcar155]

The M5 comp is sensationally fast.

Hi HB , You are 100% correct in your thoughts.

 

[MadMerx]

@Steve84N I am glad they didn't want to keep the V8. The era of gas guzzling cars that make a disproportionate contribution to air and noise pollution is ending.

It will not be ending anytime soon so you are a bit mistaken. The amount of pollution from factories (especially from third world countries), power stations, haulage, etc for a day would make the emissions from all the "gas guzzling" cars seem like a drop in the petroleum ocean. Most of the noise pollution comes from chavvy little scrote mobiles rather than the luxury end of the car market.

I might have to get a C63S while you can still get a proper '63

 

[Steve84N]

@Steve84N I am glad they didn't want to keep the V8. The era of gas guzzling cars that make a disproportionate contribution to air and noise pollution is ending.

So you agree I'm right and the V8 fits then.

If you don't like performance cars, what are you doing in the AMG lounge?!?

 

[Rich764089]

@Steve84N I am glad they didn't want to keep the V8. The era of gas guzzling cars that make a disproportionate contribution to air and noise pollution is ending.

Do they though? Or do EVs just pollute in ways/places you don't think/care/know about? It's not just about what does/n't come out of an exhaust, you need to keep the bigger picture in mind.

Can't argue with the noise "pollution" I guess, other than to say one man's V8 noise pollution is another man's music

 

[Alex]

@Steve84N I am glad they didn't want to keep the V8. The era of gas guzzling cars that make a disproportionate contribution to air and noise pollution is ending.

Not so fast. I paid for my 12 cylinders and I intend to continue using all of them.

 

[HB]

Hi HB , You are 100% correct in your thoughts.

However I personally found it awfully boring. There’s no drama until you’re really on it. The V8 AMGs give you drama all the time.
I will say again it is really quick , more refined than the E63 and a great car.

 

[356speedster]

I don't believe you. The chassis is fundamentally still the same size and clearly based on the 205. The bonnet is the same length. They might have changed the hard points with the design of nothing bigger than a 2.0 4 pot in mind but physically the V8 would have fitted fine if they'd wanted to keep it.

I'm not sure if you're aware, but the C63 205 has to be streteched to fit the V8, it's longer than even a C43. This lengthening can be seen under the bonnet. I still suspect that MB have chosed to not re-develop this to fit the V8 (plus any other changes needed), from a cost perspective and to force the 4-pot on us. Hopefully buyers will vote with their feet, as they did with the 4-pot 718s and we'll get a later V8 model update..... Until then and mabye for longer, I'll keep loving, my 2019 C63S.

 

[Petrol Pete]

Do they though? Or do EVs just pollute in ways/places you don't think/care/know about? It's not just about what does/n't come out of an exhaust, you need to keep the bigger picture in mind.

Can't argue with the noise "pollution" I guess, other than to say one man's V8 noise pollution is another man's music

A V8 engine does not make noise , it emits sound - It's silly little Chinese import next to fruck all bhp 'motorcycles' doing 25mph sounding like $hit- that make noise. Horrible things - take that from someone who has owned motorcycles all his life - I don't like things being banned , but they should be. Rant over.

 

[Steve84N]

@356speedster I wasn't aware the 205 C63 is stretched, although I'm not surprised as the 204 is too. However, if they've done the work for the 205 it could be used in the 206. Let's face it, it's nothing to do with whether the V8 fits.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

@356speedster I wasn't aware the 205 C63 is stretched, although I'm not surprised as the 204 is too. However, if they've done the work for the 205 it could be used in the 206. Let's face it, it's nothing to do with whether the V8 fits.

Agreed, they even did it in the W203, extending the front end to accommodate the M113 V8 for the C 55 AMG, using the nose from the CLK.

If Mercedes want the W206 to accommodate a V8 then it would not be a problem when designing the W206, nor in the future should demand dictate.

It’a a very conscious decision to switch to a 4 cylinder hybrid. Why wouldn’t they exploit the potential for marketing using references to hybrid technology from their F1 team.

Now is a perfect time to do that, incredible F1 success and upcoming Project One, greater interest in hybrid tech to boost performance rather than maximise economy.

 

[MadMerx]

Agreed, they even did it in the W203, extending the front end to accommodate the M113 V8 for the C 55 AMG, using the nose from the CLK.

If Mercedes want the W206 to accommodate a V8 then it would not be a problem when designing the W206, nor in the future should demand dictate.

It’a a very conscious decision to switch to a 4 cylinder hybrid. Why wouldn’t they exploit the potential for marketing using references to hybrid technology from their F1 team.

Now is a perfect time to do that, incredible F1 success and upcoming Project One, greater interest in hybrid tech to boost performance rather than maximise economy.

I have the CL plugged into a CTEK charger at the moment. Does that make it a hybrid?

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

I have the CL plugged into a CTEK charger at the moment. Does that make it a hybrid?

Errrrrrrr....

 

[Deleted member 113659]

I have the CL plugged into a CTEK charger at the moment. Does that make it a hybrid?

It certainly does. What’s the range? (AKA Length of charger cable)

 

[MadMerx]

It certainly does. What’s the range? (AKA Length of charger cable)

Hmm not sure, it is powered off a 5m extension cable and however long the CTEK extension cable is...

 

[Deleted member 113659]

Hmm not sure, it is powered off a 5m extension cable and however long the CTEK extension cable is...

5m range then. Not bad for local runs.

 

[FastLaneJB]

I see a few inaccurate statements here as I’ve watched the various videos plus read their lengthy press release on this.

The car can make the ~640bhp for 10 seconds at a time, otherwise it’s around ~540bhp. Not sure how often you can utilise those 10 seconds of course.

It’s based on a 400 Volt architecture and they cool / heat the battery to 45C and it’ll apparently sit there just fine where is the sweet spot to let it make power over and over. Also at this temp and because it’s 400 Volt it’s got crazy high regen rates to help put energy back into the battery.

There’s multiple driving modes like you get now just with the edition of an electric only mode for short ranges. It’s not a very big battery however. As you move down the modes though, by the time your in race it reads like not only will it have the high regen under slowing down but it’ll use the engine to help charge the battery as well when your not drawing on it fully. I figure in my head that say your on 40% throttle, maybe it’s running the engine at 50 - 60% with that difference charging up the battery if needed.

Lastly there’s an e-turbo so that 4 pot is going to pull hard from any speed but more so with the electrics involved.

Now I get the noise argument, I’m driving a V12 currently before they die off as I wanted to give one a whirl. However new cars are going to be quieter because of noise limits and emission controls, plus will increasingly go electric. You can buy older cars of course to avoid this but grumbling at Mercedes doing what they’ll all have to do sooner or later won’t change anything.

Honestly though I think it sounds like a stellar powerplant. The highest bhp 4 pot and what looks to me to be the most advanced performance hybrid on the market. The bigger cars will have a V8 mated to the hybrid and putting out in the 805 bhp range. The next M5 is rumoured to either be a hybrid and / or electric only. Mercedes just seem to have got here first is all.

Interested to read some reviews on this when it comes out.