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New Parking Restrictions

I cannot comment on contracts for enforcements (not wise to on this medium) and certainly have nothing to say about NCP and their business; I can only offer my own voice on what happens in Peterborough (which conducts enforcement in-house), which I know is understood ;)

As I have mentioned on other threads, and likewise here, I don't believe everything that I see on the telly or read in the rags :)
 
Just done a quick Google and thank goodness I did not say anything that was incorrect.

NCP has a notorious reputation within the Bay area for its strict enforcement, yet the council:

The moves come as the council is facing losses of £500,000 on the first two years of the NCP contract to run parking wardens, which still has three years to run.

The council has said it is using NCP as a traffic control tool, with the aim of using profit to improve traffic schemes. Instead it has lost money as not enough penalty tickets are being issued.

Here is the link

Regards
John
 
Think telephones, think airlines as just a couple of examples. When phones were nationalised over 90% of call boxes did not work. Within a few years of de-nationalising over 90% did work.

Telephones and airlines serve their consumers - us.

Contracted-out parking services serve their clients - not us.
 
Come on guys, this posting is getting out hand, we all know the press only sells newspapers by it's headlines & lets face it parking is a very emotive subject.

I know how some statements given to the press are twisted to fit the case in hand and incite responses from the public.

Contary to public belief double yellow lines are placed to ensure the safe & expeditious flow of traffic, not raise revenue.

Dave
 
As Robert has stated the Traffic Management Act 2004 (TMA) will see a two tiered penalty system in place with lower fines for less serious parking contraventions. so the idiot who chooses to park a few feet from a road juction will recive a higher penalty than some one who is 5 mins late returning to their car parked safely in pay & display bay or car park, surely everyone can see the sense in that one.

BTW, as Robert has stated, targets for the number of penalty notices issued by any 1 Civil Enforcement officer are banned under this act
 
Come on guys, this posting is getting out hand, we all know the press only sells newspapers by it's headlines & lets face it parking is a very emotive subject.

I know how some statements given to the press are twisted to fit the case in hand and incite responses from the public.

Contary to public belief double yellow lines are placed to ensure the safe & expeditious flow of traffic, not raise revenue.

Dave

It is interesting that around 30% of councils raise more money through charges - including parking - than is raised through council tax. It is pretty explicit that parking is about raising money as well as expediting traffic flow,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7200730.stm
 
This is certainly true in many back streets. To quote just one instance of many.....
Near me there is a cul-de-sac which was all yellow lined up to recently. Its now covered in pay and display areas. If it was the case where parking caused a problem, how can the council now justify pay and display? A parked car is a parked car after all. Having paid for the spot doesnt not change that fact.
I can FULLY understand having yellow lines and no parking on busy roads. And anywhere that parking could prove to be a hazard. But most side roads dont fall into either catagory. So why should parking be made illegal or by payment?
As you say, revenue collection and not traffic related at all.

It's worse than that in parts of Brent. In addition to the 'yellow line to P & D' trick, they have painted the road such that you are now required to half park on the pavement. In return for a fee of course.
 
It's worse than that in parts of Brent. In addition to the 'yellow line to P & D' trick, they have painted the road such that you are now required to half park on the pavement. In return for a fee of course.
Are you saying a local authority is authorising the parking on footpaths? (half parking)

Regards
John
 
Hi Robert,
Thanks very much for the most informative link. It quite clearly states that cars?? :devil: :devil: can legally park on the foot-way in specified areas. This is a real pet hate of mine and I get extremely frustrated with ignorant, selfish drivers that think it right, or acceptable to park on our footpaths. I am extremely unsteady on my feet and need the old fashioned styled crutches to assist in keeping me perpendicular. I sometimes manage to get outside to stretch my legs but boy do I get angry if some inconsiderate moron thinks its clever to block the footpath with their car. Rage, rage, rant, rant. Now it looks like the proverbial inch is being offered by some local authorities, and what will they define as 'partial' parking on the foot-way? an inch, a foot, a yard. Can a pushchair still get through or is that deemed okay to make a pedestrian walk out onto the highway? What about hgv's and what are the load stresses of our footpaths? are these authorised area's specially strengthened to allow the extra weight of even motor cars which can weigh up to a couple of tons?

I accept your merely the messenger and you have very kindly supplied the link, but my personal opinion is this is bonkers and another piece of wishy washy legislation. :mad: :mad:

regards
John the ranter

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It's not an option where the footway doesn't have the room; it's used where streets are very narrow and parking needs to be allowed both sides of the road. If the footway can take it, it is an option.

In P'boro where this has been put in, special angled kerbs have been put in to facilitate access and the footway strengthened to allow for the vehicles weight. LGV wouldn't be allowed; there is an overnight weight ban in P'boro anyway, across the entire Unitary boundary.

I don't know anywhere that this has been put in where it would cause obstruction to the footway user; if the footway is too narrow it simply isn't used (but that's P'boro, I don't know what other Highway authorities would do, but it would be unwise to block the footway in such a manner)
 
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we get to half park on our road, it's sort of un-official in the eyes of the council and they did send us a letter out warning us that it was in fact illegal and that we shouldn't rule out the possibility of getting a parking ticket at some stage but the Police actively encourage it and there have been no tickets issued.

Last year, just after the letter had been sent out and when the residents were all getting a bit tired of the traffic getting far too heavy and moving very quickly we all decided to park "legally" for a few days. Well, that slowed the traffic down but it causd virtual gridlock at peak times because the buses from the college couldn't get down the road past the parked cars.

The Police came around and asked us all to park on the pavements again.

We have a part time traffic warden in the town (I believe she only does two days a week) so we have very little enforcement. On the days she patrols, she is worse than useless and seems to spend most of her time just chatting with friends and the playtime police community support officers.

Cab drivers who seem to think that a rank for 4 cars means they can park 12 there never get a ticket, shop keepers who park their cars outside their businesses all day are left alone, van drivers who park in the loading bays near their shops seem to be able to do it without punishment. A disabled badge seems to be a permit to double or even triple park outside Barclays or the video shop. Parking here is chaotic but mostly it works because that's what everyone expects :)

Currently, just down the coast, due to a monumental administrative balls up Eastbourne (aoart from privately owned car parks) has no town centre parking restrictions or enforcement. Pay and display meters are covered over and no wardens are patrolling the streets. Far from being a free for all or parking anarchy, for the most part it is working well. People are parking sensibly and traffic is flowing freely.

Ironically, it's the shop keepers that are spoiling it by parking in the loading bays outside their premises. Don't these people understand, we all come shopping to go to their shops, not look at their cars? :)

Rob, to come back to your article, OK, we don't believe everything we read in the papers but how does "Issuing a ticket is a last resort because the priority of a parking attendant is to keep the traffic flowing" apply to tickets handed out in multi storey (not hospital) car parks?

Andy
 
Rob, to come back to your article, OK, we don't believe everything we read in the papers but how does "Issuing a ticket is a last resort because the priority of a parking attendant is to keep the traffic flowing" apply to tickets handed out in multi storey (not hospital) car parks?

Andy

The newspaper simply did a FOI request on our PCN issuing in December 2007, and this week went with an odd story (non-story in my book) about where PCNs are issued - not surprisingly the hospital has the most, due to the severe congestion there. Before we enforced there were serious hazards within the entire site. We have 13 off-street car parks and the MSCP has the highest turnover; it's paid-for parking and we enforce that. I am not going to debate whether anyone agrees with charging for off-street parking. We use Pay & Display for all our car parks.

On my discussion with the newspaper reporter, he went on to ask about why we enforced on the roads around P'boro etc - and the waffle I gave him was condensed into the 'report' you see before you. What he chooses to type is his decision; what you read into it I have no control over, but c'est la vie, that's dealing with journalists isn't it ;)
 
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I appreciate the tickets in the hospital car parks which was why i excluded them from my question.

I've no issue with paying for off street parking either but you were quted as saying that the priority was keeping traffic moving and tickets were a last resort. Now unless the car park in question is full to capacity and traffic is queuing to get in (not my experience on the few times I visited Peterborough) then how does handing tickets out for overstaying help?

andy
 
we get to half park on our road, it's sort of un-official in the eyes of the council and they did send us a letter out warning us that it was in fact illegal and that we shouldn't rule out the possibility of getting a parking ticket at some stage but the Police actively encourage it and there have been no tickets issued.
I think Andy has highlighted my point in spades. (give an inch) The problems we motorists face should not be dumped onto the users of a footpath. Quite clearly the area where Andy lives has not had these paths strengthened and once cars park on the footath does it allow free access by pedestrians with prams, or pushchairs? Roads are for cars, footpaths are for pedestrians and contrary to what we might think, unless there are extenuiating circumstances we technically break the law whenever we park on the public highway. (I am NOT suggetsing we should all be reported) it does however strike me as funny that Andy who is very much in the camp of the righteous :) (speeding) has finally come out of the closet and confessed to being a law breaker.

A gotcha oscar award to Andy
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Regards
John

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