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Nice 560 SEC - 69k miles

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Lovely colour combination, but those chrome wheel arch trims could well be covering up rust...
It's a shame that the repaint was so heavy-handed. And whoever did it obviously ran out of Scotchblok paper and masking tape if the under bonnet pictures are anything to go by.
 
Wheel arches? Easily cut out and fixed. Bulkhead rust: horrendously complex.

And then there’s the fragile 40 year old cabling and flexible hoses.

Strictly a piece of sculpture for dry storage and very low mileage, unlike a C215 or C216 which could be used as a beautiful, but expensive, high speed daily driver
There is nothing horrendously complex at all about cutting rust out and stitching in new metal on old cars. Very simple in reality. Just takes time, patience, decent equipment and a bit of skill. Good fun as well!

What you really have to look out for on old cars is the standard of previous repairs. Anyone seen the Yorkshire car restorations video of Shmee150's Porsche 914? Delivered to them with what looked like good exterior bodywork but once they got to work a horror story emerges. Filler inches deep. Then it becomes difficult to repair.
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Moral of the story -beware shiny paint on old cars and take a magnet with you when viewing them.:D
 
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There is nothing horrendously complex at all about cutting rust out and stitching in new metal on old cars. Very simple in reality. Just takes time, patience, decent equipment and a bit of skill. Good fun as well!

What you really have to look out for on old cars is the standard of previous repairs. Anyone seen the Yorkshire car restorations video of Shmee150's Porsche 914? Delivered to them with what looked like good exterior bodywork but once they got to work a horror story emerges. Filler inches deep. Then it becomes difficult to repair.
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Moral of the story -beware shiny paint on old cars and take a magnet with you when viewing them.:D

Exactly.

Arches and panels: easy.

Removing all the fascia and cabling in a forty-five year old SL, renewing the usually rotten bulkhead of an R107: more than £10k BEFORE you start priming and painting. And once you've done that much, you're tempted to redo the whole engine bay, and then the... and then the....


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Exactly.

Arches and panels: easy.

Removing all the fascia and cabling in a forty-five year old SL, renewing the usually rotten bulkhead of an R107: more than £10k BEFORE you start priming and painting. And once you've done that much, you're tempted to redo the whole engine bay, and then the... and then the....


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Is £10,000 the going rate for the SL shop to repair a rusty r107 bulkhead? You would think being a marque specialist they would have it down to a fine art and not be quite so expensive. Then again the r107 is fairly unique in that it has always held its value very well. Unlike the c107, w126, c126, w140, c140 (my fave) and so on.
 
Is £10,000 the going rate for the SL shop to repair a rusty r107 bulkhead? You would think being a marque specialist they would have it down to a fine art and not be quite so expensive. Then again the r107 is fairly unique in that it has always held its value very well. Unlike the c107, w126, c126, w140, c140 (my fave) and so on.
Labour costs for bodywork repair are usually quite high - £10k doesn’t go that far when you consider how many hours work there is to remove everything needed, cut everything out, repair, refinish and refit etc plus the materials too.
 
Is £10,000 the going rate for the SL shop to repair a rusty r107 bulkhead? You would think being a marque specialist they would have it down to a fine art and not be quite so expensive. Then again the r107 is fairly unique in that it has always held its value very well. Unlike the c107, w126, c126, w140, c140 (my fave) and so on.
I didn't get precise numbers from the three souls that I've known "struggle" with how to go forward with this

It's not the repairing the rusty bulkhead that seems to bring the tears, it seems to be more the pulling the wretched thing apart and putting it together bit. Fragile cable, pipes, fittings, the lot.

Huge respect for what they do at SL Workshop - and the quality - it's just a variation on the old "let's renovate an E type or DB5 saga." Something which might seem a bit straightforward, get complicated when components need to be taken off and then reassembled. Plus the paint etc etc.

As regards values, the R107 used to hold its value very well. I'm not so sure about how its held more recently. It's an age thing. Maintaining a 20 year old is cheap, but when she gets to 40 - 45 she gets much more expensive.
 
Labour costs for bodywork repair are usually quite high - £10k doesn’t go that far when you consider how many hours work there is to remove everything needed, cut everything out, repair, refinish and refit etc plus the materials too.
Commercial classic car restoration is a dying art in the UK. No wonder so many cars are now sent to places like Poland for relatively affordable restorations if classic owners are unable to restore them themselves in their sheds. Pity really seeing as the internet is a wonderful resource for getting the parts and advice needed to fix old cars.
 
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Commercial car restoration is a dying art in the UK. No wonder so many cars are now sent to places like Poland for relatively affordable restorations if classic owners are unable to restore them in their sheds.
No idea what the labour costs are at SL shop but they reckon 50 hours to fit the bulkhead panel alone:

3. The car is then handed over to our expert craftsmen who will spend a minimum of 50 hours restoring your Bulkhead to ORIGINAL specification.

That’s after they have totally stripped the car down and before it’s all put back together again?

£100/hour maybe or perhaps a little less + the inevitable additional parts needed as part of this level of restoration.

You can see why good examples of these cars are fetching strong money (£50k plus) as the cost of restoration is quite high.
 
You will recall my C124 restoration required some pretty radical surgery.

Removal and refitting the dashboard was probably the single biggest task and I was lucky (?) that the only snagging was reconnecting the cig lighter and the c/control.
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Labour was charged at £90 p/hour excl Vat - total around £11.5k
And IIRC that was several years ago now :thumb:
 
There is nothing horrendously complex at all about cutting rust out and stitching in new metal on old cars. Very simple in reality. Just takes time, patience, decent equipment and a bit of skill. Good fun as well!

What you really have to look out for on old cars is the standard of previous repairs. Anyone seen the Yorkshire car restorations video of Shmee150's Porsche 914? Delivered to them with what looked like good exterior bodywork but once they got to work a horror story emerges. Filler inches deep. Then it becomes difficult to repair.
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Moral of the story -beware shiny paint on old cars and take a magnet with you when viewing them.:D

Saw the Porsche last Sunday.
 
I had the opportunity to buy a low mileage visible rust free 380 SLC for less than 5 grand a few years ago off a mate. I didn't buy it because I always promised myself a SEC :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

In the space of 3 years it's probably tripled in value and it's now being used a ULEZ free daily drive and my mate is probably feeling exceptionally smug :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:
What was the SEC like?
 
What was the SEC like?

If it's the my mates SLC you mean, it was green with a lighter green velour interior, seventiestastic 😁 He had a few pulley based issues when he started driving it daily and was only getting 8 mpg !!!! I haven't spoke to him in a couple of years so don't know if it's still going (it was the original inner London ULEZ)

It was insane that he had to scrap his X reg CLK with the 3.2 m112 that if the exact car had been built 6 months later it would have been compliant !!!
 
If it's the my mates SLC you mean, it was green with a lighter green velour interior, seventiestastic 😁 He had a few pulley based issues when he started driving it daily and was only getting 8 mpg !!!! I haven't spoke to him in a couple of years so don't know if it's still going (it was the original inner London ULEZ)

It was insane that he had to scrap his X reg CLK with the 3.2 m112 that if the exact car had been built 6 months later it would have been compliant !!!
You said you were offered an SLC but you turned it down because you always promised yourself an SEC.

What was the SEC like?
 
Same color as mine

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Same color as mine

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And you're in the right place to enjoy it. (Weather, rain, and petrol price)

Although a good C215 CL600 would be an even lovelier thing....


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