Not on ebay but another W124 E36 Estate - does this car look genuine to you?

[pattiodors]

Evening everybody, I just spotted this car 1993 Mercedes AMG E36 Estate for sale next Saturday and wondered if they know it’s probably not an AMG according to its VIN WDB1240921F249300.
https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/classic/

I have found another auction site that sold the car for £23,300 back in October 2019

RM Sotheby's - 1993 Mercedes-Benz E36 AMG | London 2019 They actually put an addendum on the description that the car had been “equipped with a M104 6 cylinder engine and upgraded by an aftermarket tuner in Japan”

As the estimate is between £20,000 and £30,000 I wouldn’t want anyone who was bidding to not know the facts as it’s a lot of money!

What do you think?

 

[DITTRICH]

The driver's bolster has done more than 20k miles purely based on condition. The car is someone's creation, not a factory product. The japanese invoice for 6k is probably the purchase price for all we know.

 

[Teego]

Caveat emptor

 

[MercedesDriver]

320TE


Ident. number (FIN) WDB1240921F249300
VIN WDB1240921F249300
Baumuster 124092
Sales name 320 TE
Order number 0 2 839 77181 (Destination: Japan)
Delivery date 1992-12
PAINT1 199 APPLICATION CODE FOR COMPONENT PROCESSING
Interior color 061 No code designation available
Engine 104992 12 010669
Gearbox 722369 03 819669
General data for model code 124092


Baumuster Модель Платформа Модель Двигатель КП Кол-во дверей Date From Date To
124092 E-class S124 300TE (USA) Бензин
104.992 АКП
722.369
722.503
722.369
5
124092 E-class S124 320TE Бензин
104.992 МКП
717.450
5
SA codes
Parameter Value
061A CLOTH BLACK
199 APPLICATION CODE FOR COMPONENT PROCESSING
221 LEFT FRONT SEAT, ELECTRICALLY ADJUSTABLE
222 RIGHT FRONT SEAT, ELECTRICALLY ADJUSTABLE
240 OUTSIDE TEMPERATURE INDICATOR
341 ADDITIONAL BLINKER LAMPS
412 ELECTRIC SLIDING ROOF
412 *1 _______ 19951002 ELECTRIC SLIDING ROOF
412 *2 _______ 19980716 ELECTRIC SLIDING ROOF WITH TILTING DEVICE
420 AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION 4-GEAR
440 TEMPOMAT (CRUISE CONTROL)
498 VERSION FOR JAPAN
524 PAINTWORK - PRESERVATION
547 HEADUNIT CONNECT 20 (NTG6)
570 FOLDING ARMREST, FRONT
586 N/A
593 ALL-ROUND WD-GREEN GLASS,HEATED REAR WINDOW-ESG,BF
615 No code designation available
652 8-HOLE LIGHT ALLOY RIMS
664 LIGHT ALLOY WHEEL 7-HOLE STAR DESIGN 17 INCH
803 AEJ 06/1/M/X
844 No code designation available
916 VEHICLES FOR HOT COUNTRIES-ADDITIONAL PARTS

 

[poormansporsche]

Is it just me or does that have 500e wings and front bumper ?

The recaros could be a secondhand retrofit

 

[optimusprime]

May be true but , but why no mot history before 2016 .Also not genuine 100% for one its got the wrong engine if i am right .

 

[DSM10000]

Out of curiosity I have emailed the auction house in Kings Lynn to ask if they know of the car's full history....

 

[optimusprime]

The tunning that was done in Japan ,,so the reading goes would include the engine swop out to 260e M103

 

[DSM10000]

A reply from the auction company in Kings Lynn after my email suggesting there may be doubts as to provenance.


"
Many thanks for your email. It is our understanding that as a pre-merger car, AMG plucked the closest specification car from the Mercedes production line and used this as the basis from which to carry out modifications. In this case the donor was an 320 TE"

If this indeed happened to this car then would the factory data card not be updated to show this?

 

[d w124]

A reply from the auction company in Kings Lynn after my email suggesting there may be doubts as to provenance.


"
Many thanks for your email. It is our understanding that as a pre-merger car, AMG plucked the closest specification car from the Mercedes production line and used this as the basis from which to carry out modifications. In this case the donor was an 320 TE"

If this indeed happened to this car then would the factory data card not be updated to show this?

That's utter crap,it should show up

 

[d w124]

Is it just me or does that have 500e wings and front bumper ?

The recaros could be a secondhand retrofit

It does have 500 wings bumper and brakes

 

[d w124]

The whole car is a mismatched in many aspects

 

[Rob77]

That's utter crap,it should show up

Really? I understood that was how the pre-merger AMGs were made/modified

Not saying this was wasn't modified by some random guy in Japan though. I wouldn't know.

 

[DSM10000]

Really? I understood that was how the pre-merger AMGs were made/modified

Not saying this was wasn't modified by some random guy in Japan though. I wouldn't know.

They were but why does the data card say 320TE?

 

[Rob77]

They were but why does the data card say 320TE?

Because that's what it was before AMG took it and modified it? I'm not saying that is what happened, just that I understood that it happened that way.

 

[d w124]

Really? I understood that was how the pre-merger AMGs were made/modified

Indeed that's how it is but a late 92 car will/should show

 

[DSM10000]

Because that's what it was before AMG took it and modified it? I'm not saying that is what happened, just that I understood that it happened that way.

But it is not what it is purported to be now and therefore surely the data card would be modified to show the AMG status?

 

[SG1]

This car has so many incorrect things/parts about it. I am pretty sure it is definitely not a 3.6 and just a standard 320 that has had some nice parts fitted in Japan and messed about with.

In my opinion the chap who bought from RM has now realized this and is now wanting to pass on at another auction!

 

[DSM10000]

This car has so many incorrect things/parts about it. I am pretty sure it is definitely not a 3.6 and just a standard 320 that has had some nice parts fitted in Japan and messed about with.

In my opinion the chap who bought from RM has now realized this and is now wanting to pass on at another auction!

The auction house have become surprisingly quiet after some pointed questions..

 

[d w124]

The auction house have become surprisingly quiet after some pointed questions..

Go on then,what did you ask???