Revenue or Safety?

[clk320x]

Or perhaps the speeding fines should be linked to income so that the well off feel the pain as much as the less well off .

Thought this already happens?

 

[Deleted member 65149]

Many a time I have driven through roadworks for 15+ miles at 45mph without a worker in sight, so why do we need the speed limit when no-one is working. If you charge £550 p/h for your time that is a lot of lost income over a year.

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I do hope that at £550 p/h the evidence you gather for your cases is better sourced than an article in the Daily Mail and seemingly groundless hypotheses. But of course if, as you imply, you know better then I’m sure you can provide us with irrefutable testimony. Many of us are keen to learn and reduce our naivety.

 

[Fununcle]

Many a time I have driven through roadworks for 15+ miles at 45mph without a worker in sight, so why do we need the speed limit when no-one is working. If you charge £550 p/h for your time that is a lot of lost income over a year.

Now you say that, I can see that you are right, something must be done to get you to work 25 minutes earlier.

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[markjay]

Highways England | Improvements and major road projects

 

[markjay]

The staggering number of drivers caught speeding through the 40mph limit at the roadworks on the A55

 

[clk320x]

The staggering number of drivers caught speeding through the 40mph limit at the roadworks on the A55

‘The noise barriers were installed after fed up residents living by the dual carriageway near Abergele said they were unable to go out in their gardens at busy times, and live with constant noise and fumes from the traffic.’

Did they not realise this before buying the house?

 

[E53AMG]

Can't tell if you are being sarcastic or serious Rob

Bit of both [emoji6]

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[clk320x]

Bit of both [emoji6]

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On my way back from London today big sign ‘workforce in road’ on M1, and speed set to 40. Not a single worker on the road... followed by ‘lane closure slow down!’ but no lane has been closed...

Seems the office is a bit slow today lol

 

[E53AMG]

Or perhaps the speeding fines should be linked to income so that the well off feel the pain as much as the less well off .

Like Ant or was it Dec, can never tell them apart [emoji16]

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[E53AMG]

Unfortunately some are beyond redemption [emoji6]

I do hope that at £550 p/h the evidence you gather for your cases is better sourced than an article in the Daily Mail and seemingly groundless hypotheses. But of course if, as you imply, you know better then I’m sure you can provide us with irrefutable testimony. Many of us are keen to learn and reduce our naivety.

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[Alex225]

According to the article the anti congestion measures are being switched on when no congestion is present, (thus causing congestion) so not so smart system after all..

That’s often my experience of them on the M25.

I have driven late at night and early in the morning to find the limits reduced and yet a handful of cars on the road. You’ll pass under gantries that go 60, 50, 40....nothing displayed.

The concept makes sense but the execution does not seem to be smart at all. This is when you start to wonder if there’s a revenue aspect to it, is it just incompetence or are these limits there to catch the impatient drivers? Who knows but they’re frustrating.

 

[wu56Shoozz]

A small aside to this - is there a deal between truckers and police that "we" should know about?

How many times have you slowed in these "Smart" motorways to say.. 50mph using cruise to maintain and look in your rear mirror and there he is "Mr Ice Road F***er" right up yer jaxxi, so close that you can see the last pheasant/pigeon he hit on the grill, or see Garfields "One Eye" in great detail...

And like Alex, I have driven late at night or early hours of the morning, set at 75mph on cruise and... there's a column of the ICF's pushing to get past faster than the errr... "56mph" that they're supposed to do..more like 80mph!!

Sorry for the thread high jack, but just wondered if anyone could shed some light on this...

 

[clk320x]

A small aside to this - is there a deal between truckers and police that "we" should know about?

How many times have you slowed in these "Smart" motorways to say.. 50mph using cruise to maintain and look in your rear mirror and there he is "Mr Ice Road F***er" right up yer jaxxi, so close that you can see the last pheasant/pigeon he hit on the grill, or see Garfields "One Eye" in great detail...

And like Alex, I have driven late at night or early hours of the morning, set at 75mph on cruise and... there's a column of the ICF's pushing to get past faster than the errr... "56mph" that they're supposed to do..more like 80mph!!

Sorry for the thread high jack, but just wondered if anyone could shed some light on this...

Apparently they have much better calibrated speedos than us, when our speedo shows 50 it may only be 45-49mph, where as the HGV will be exactly 50mph. Also maybe they travel at 10%+2mph over the limit?

 

[wu56Shoozz]

That’s often my experience of them on the M25.

I have driven late at night and early in the morning to find the limits reduced and yet a handful of cars on the road. You’ll pass under gantries that go 60, 50, 40....nothing displayed.

The concept makes sense but the execution does not seem to be smart at all. This is when you start to wonder if there’s a revenue aspect to it, is it just incompetence or are these limits there to catch the impatient drivers? Who knows but they’re frustrating.

I think its a revenue field ... I do a lot of miles throughout the country and have seen the "smart" system left on when there's absolutely sod all happening and I mean Sod all no congestion, no road works nothing/nada.. and yet there it is. The M62 is particularly notorious for this trick as was the M6 at the new Preston Slip road.. both had nothing happening but "Oh look..Variable speed limit applies.." I hate having to travel into "Yorkshire" via M62 as the operators haven't a clue..often it stretches from the start of the M62 right out to the M1 Intersection..with nothing happening, so "Whats Going On..."

 

[wu56Shoozz]

Apparently they have much better calibrated speedos than us, when our speedo shows 50 it may only be 45-49mph, where as the HGV will be exactly 50mph. Also maybe they travel at 10%+2mph over the limit?

Really?? Nah...say it ain't so, I thought they used similar manufacturers to our cars therefore can't be that far out??

On the 10+2 theory, I got 3 points sometime back for exactly this and was told by plod that this no longer exists as like you say, speedos are much more accurate now (Particularly in Tom Daley's case..)

 

[Thrash]

I drive on one everyday to get to and from work, I've encountered a number of people who slam their brakes on to move out into the 3 lanes as opposed to carrying onto the hard shoulder, despite the signs saying to use it.
And like others, I've hit gantries that go from 60 to 40 and then in the distance you can see it going back to up to 60 or NSL. From what I've read, the speed limits are controlled by a person and not sensors, I don't know why.

 

[RonFleet]

I calibrate my speedo against the roadside illuminated "Your speed is..." displays and, I have to say, it is usually in complete agreement with those displays. This means that my speedo is accurate, or the displays read low.

 

[clk320x]

Really?? Nah...say it ain't so, I thought they used similar manufacturers to our cars therefore can't be that far out??

On the 10+2 theory, I got 3 points sometime back for exactly this and was told by plod that this no longer exists as like you say, speedos are much more accurate now (Particularly in Tom Daley's case..)

Did you get a ticket from a camera or a policeman? What speed was it?

 

[GLK]

The 10% + 2 mph was always a guideline, at the discretion of the relevant police authority / officer.

I can't see it's working to get someone off of doing 35mph in 30 zone, certainly not in the last decade.

I wish we had a few autobahns ...

 

[David404]

I use the M42/M6 every day and perception is the variable sped limit has improved things. But you do on a regular basis see the speed limits varying for no apparent reason and you do wonder if this is revenue related. Sometimes you think Oh they've reduced the speed limit because its 07:30...

Sometimes the hard shoulder is in use as a m/way lane sometimes not, sometimes the hard shoulder is out of action in the rush hour for no apparent reason. So yes there is some improvement but clearly those who control it aren't up to much.