Section 59

[neilrr]

Do they.?
I thought they worked for Crown and enforced the Crown laws.

I'd be tempted to find the correct situation before making contact with the Police.

I consider them my arm's length employees, in the nicest possible way, since I pay their salaries.

 

[Simon]

Sounds like a Moooving Traffic Offence to me. Udderly unacceptable.

 

[Dieselman]

Where's that groan button..

 

[crockers]

Where's that groan button..

chewing over a suitable reply....

 

[robert.saunders]

I get the "I pay your wages" thrown at me sometimes. Seeing as I also pay my own wages it becomes a complex area for discussion

 

[UnMarked]

Agree with Flyer, misbehave in any vehicle and get given another section 59 and you can lose the vehicle permanently

You would not lose the vehicle permanently.........
you can get the vehicle back by paying the recovery agent the relevant fees (£105 recovery+£12 a day storage).

Example:

Vehicle is stopped and satisfies the criteria for Section 59 Warning. Driver already has a S59 warning to his name (warning is valid for 1 year) so his vehicle is seized. Recovery agent turns up to collect the vehicle, said driver pays £105 there and then and his vehicle is handed straight back to him.
This happens. It's the law and at times it makes no sense to me either

 

[nick mercedes]

You would not lose the vehicle permanently.........
you can get the vehicle back by paying the recovery agent the relevant fees (£105 recovery+£12 a day storage).

Example:

Vehicle is stopped and satisfies the criteria for Section 59 Warning. Driver already has a S59 warning to his name (warning is valid for 1 year) so his vehicle is seized. Recovery agent turns up to collect the vehicle, said driver pays £105 there and then and his vehicle is handed straight back to him.
This happens. It's the law and at times it makes no sense to me either

Seems like the thin end of the wedge to me, when people's assets can be sized and taken away without a court being involved...

 

[UnMarked]

Seems like the thin end of the wedge to me, when people's assets can be sized and taken away without a court being involved...

I totally agree as far as the financial penalty for recovery goes - it's also extremely frustrating when when the stereotypical 'boy-racer' whose vehicle you've just seized pays the tow-truck driver in front of you then gives you the finger as he drives into the sunset

Quite often though the recovery/Section 59 warning forms part of a prosecution case and lends weight to the evidence against the driver for due care/inconsiderate driving etc (and shows a propensity for this type of offence).

Notwithstanding the above, Section 59 warnings can have the desired effect in calming the behaviour of certain drivers. However, they can (and have been) given out when not appropriate - it's down to the officer at the time (and all the factors that brings to bear on their decision-making).

 

[nick mercedes]

I totally agree as far as the financial penalty for recovery goes - it's also extremely frustrating when when the stereotypical 'boy-racer' whose vehicle you've just seized pays the tow-truck driver in front of you then gives you the finger as he drives into the sunset

Quite often though the recovery/Section 59 warning forms part of a prosecution case and lends weight to the evidence against the driver for due care/inconsiderate driving etc (and shows a propensity for this type of offence).

Notwithstanding the above, Section 59 warnings can have the desired effect in calming the behaviour of certain drivers. However, they can (and have been) given out when not appropriate - it's down to the officer at the time (and all the factors that brings to bear on their decision-making).

Who ends up with all the £105s and £12 a day storage fees?

Presumably with scrap at £250 a tonne there's a nice little earner to be had from all the uncollected ones too...

 

[Dieselman]

Is it legitimate to issue them for of road offences..if there can be such a thing given you are away from the highway?

Also is there a limit as to how many you can recieve in a 12 month period given you can just cough up and be off again.

 

[Dieselman]

Who ends up with all the £105s and £12 a day storage fees?

Presumably with scrap at £250 a tonne there's a nice little earner to be had from all the uncollected ones too...

Nick. You need to get yourself on the approved contractor list. Mercs only of course..

 

[UnMarked]

Who ends up with all the £105s and £12 a day storage fees?

The recovery agent. It's the standard country-wide fee for recovery and storage for police-related work.

 

[nick mercedes]

The recovery agent. It's the standard country-wide fee for recovery and storage for police-related work.

The police don't get a slice of the action?

 

[UnMarked]

Is it legitimate to issue them for of road offences..if there can be such a thing given you are away from the highway?

Also is there a limit as to how many you can recieve in a 12 month period given you can just cough up and be off again.

1. Yes it's legitimate and forms part of the Police Reform Act of 2002 and they can be issued off the highway.

2. One warning is normally given (but doesn't need to be although it is considered 'best practice'). The warning lasts for 12 months and if subsequent warnings are issued then the 12 month period starts again at the more recent warning. There's nothing to stop the recipient just coughing up each time and driving off.
It is possible (by showing persistent misuse of a vehicle) to get the vehicle permanently confiscated but I'm not aware of this ever happening except via a specific clause in an ASBO/ABC etc.

(I hope this makes things clearer to you!)

 

[UnMarked]

The police don't get a slice of the action?

No.

 

[nick mercedes]

No.

So recovery agent gets rich, general public gets annoyed over extrajudicial punishment, and the police get frustrated when people just cough up and get their car back?

 

[UnMarked]

So recovery agent gets rich, general public gets annoyed over extrajudicial punishment, and the police get frustrated when people just cough up and get their car back?

Pretty much. Although the people who usually* get their vehicle's seized are the ones this Act was brought in to deal with so it's not totally toothless. A bit more dentures in the glass at the side of the bed type legslation.



* Note I said usually

 

[glojo]

I have no idea where this confrontation took place but will respectfully ask if it was off the public highway and if so how far 'off-road' was it?

I fully accept the point about the bikes being road legal, but how loud were they? Perhaps the riders might have one assessment and the cows might have another.

Who called these law enforcers? Was it a pure conicindence that they arrived, or did Bessie or Matilda ring her bell to sommon the full force of the local constabulary?

Did the situation esculate, was this young lady being excessively pushey or was she a victim of a group of elderly men who were having a bit of a laugh?

If it was off road riding, then could the police have given the riders fixed penalty tickets, or reported them for contravening any relevant Bye-Law?

I am no fan of any non police person playing at being a police officer and I will keep asking the question: Why are there more and more of these uniformed people when we are continually told how crime is down and police numbers are up.

If there are more police with LESS TO DO, then they should be out on the streets, fields , highways and bye-ways, showing the flag and winning the hearts and monds of not only the public but all the cows and sheep out there.

Regards
John

Has *** edited his post yet?

 

[Stratman]

The police don't get a slice of the action?

Not officially

 

[UnMarked]

Not officially

oooh goody - a whiff of scandal or sleeze do tell !!!