Someone has been misbehaving

[Rose Chap]

It would only be well deserved form the one persons point of view. The person cheated on. Perhaps others who have been cheated on might like to think they feel it deserved to.

However, criminal damage to property is as much a vigilante pov as saying the person should have taken a good kicking.

Now either way, I can't say a crime is appropriete for being upset with someone.

I agree. It's a cowardly and immature way to communicate anger/frustration.

Nice car too.

 

[pammy]

I agree. It's a cowardly and immature way to communicate anger/frustration.

Nice car too.

And cheating on someone is hardly an acceptable way to behave. As I said before - we don't know the circumstances. The reaction may be unjustified but we do not know what gave rise to that action in the first place. If you've never been cheated on then you don't know how it feels.

 

[GrahamC230K]

I feel you are still trying to justify this. Cheating is not a crime not in the legal sense anyway.

The person that did it thought it justifiable too. I suspect a female. I'd not want any association with that mentality.

EDIT: decided it wasn't sad cheating wasn't a crime after all. Could get tricky.

 

[pammy]

I feel you are still trying to justify this. Cheating, sadly, is not a crime not in the legal sense anyway.

The person that did it thought it justifiable too. I suspect a female.

That makes it OK then And yes it prob was a woman as a bloke would have called a woman something else beginning with B. And no I never said it was justifable, I actually said the opposite, just that it might be understandable if you knew the full circumstances which none of us do.

And for people to say how someone could do that to someone's car hardly compares with what might have been done to their heart! It's a car, a lump of metal not flesh and blood. Yet someone can go and rip that apart without any recrimination.

 

[Natalie]

And whilst I don't condone his/her actions, having been in the same situation and traded in for a younger model I can understand the hurt, anger, frustration and the feeling of no self worth.

 

[recycled]

cheating as graham says is not a crime.
Most people have excuses anyway for cheating (man or woman) e.g i was not getting any at home, love, attention e.t.c but if the owner decides to press charges, and has CCTV evidence, someone could be in serious trouble.
especially if the insurance get involved to recover their costs which could easily run to about £5k.
who knows if there was cheating anyway.
I have been accused before of loving my car too much e.t.c and most of these accusations are really just suspicions anyway.

 

[prprandall51]

Lel's not forget that - statistically - we are probably looking at the damage inflicted by a wife on a husband's car. In which case, she legally co-owns that car and therefore no crime has been committed.

Cutting the brakes would be illegal - and stupid. Personally, I like to see this sort of thing. It brings an appropriate anmount of embarrasment to the guilty party, who is probably an arrogant *****.

However, as Pammy points out, we don't know all the facts. If, for example, this is the outcome of underhand behaviour at a Poker game, then I would agree that this is an appalling way of getting revenge.

Philip

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

The cheating or the writing??

Let's hope the cheating was more than just a "good ten minutes" if to offset what's happened since!!

Interesting - the debate regarding whether it's justified. I would say that it could never be justified - regardless of the surrounding circumstances - but by the same token cheating couldn't be justified either. Two wrongs and all that...

 

[imadoofus]

a bloke would have called a woman something else beginning with B.

Bumptious?

I can't believe that people are sitting in judgement of the vandal. It's (presumably) not your car, nor (presumably) was it your pair of compasses used to do the damage.

As Pammy says, it's just a car. I can't help but feel that people who find their blood boiling over this have their priorities wrong.

 

[pammy]

Bumptious?

PMSL - Been in the knife box again

 

[glojo]

Having sadly seen numerous break-ups I can fully understand what has happened and yes it might be a crime, but to pontificate about how there is no excuse is simply being extremely cold and not showing any feeling.

without knowing the circumstances for this particular case it will be wrong to judge, but lets not forget that the emotional strain of finding out a partner has cheated on you might be mitigation for quite literally getting away with murder!

We have all heard about how a man's genitalia has been removed by an upset wife, men have thrown themselves of bridges because of a cheating wife. Some folks go into themselves and may very easily become mentally unbalanced, others lash out! Has any real harm been done to life or limb? Yes a crime MIGHT have been committed but that person will have insurance and at the end of the day it is only a car!

Strange how some folk think it perfectly acceptable to drive at speed around a completely blind bend with no regard for what might be around the corner, but perhaps if a mentally unbalanced person scratches a car they become holier than thou!!

I use the word mentally unbalanced just because they may well not have been in full charge of their faculties.

I do not condone any crime but there is a morale here and when we take our marriage vows, we make a promise.


John

 

[recycled]

Oh please !!!!! like everone has kept every pomise in their lives.
and who said they were married?
sometimes i do not know where people stand? once they say vigilante is bad please forgive and forget, next they say it is understandable to mess up someones stuff just because you were cheated on.
Please give us some consistency here.
Either forgive and forget everyone (same for jilted WAGS) or deal with everyone as well.
No need for double standards. It creates confusion all the time

 

[GrahamC230K]

Having sadly seen numerous break-ups I can fully understand what has happened and yes it might be a crime, but to pontificate about how there is no excuse is simply being extremely cold and not showing any feeling.

John

Strongly disagree.

Graham
The cold and unfeeling

Lel's not forget that - statistically - we are probably looking at the damage inflicted by a wife on a husband's car. In which case, she legally co-owns that car and therefore no crime has been committed.

Are you telling us this as fact? As Glojo would say, I don't know I am asking the question.

Looking at your married example, my own unqualified guess would be, if she is not the registered keeper, the car is not hers. Likewise if she took the car without permission, it would be a TWOC as if stolen by anyone.

 

[MBManInKen]

thats so evil,,,,,,,,,,,do anything else but not the guys car,,,,,,,

 

[glojo]

Are you telling us this as fact? As Glojo would say, I don't know I am asking the question.

Looking at your married example, my own unqualified guess would be, if she is not the registered keeper, the car is not hers. Likewise if she took the car without permission, it would be a TWOC as if stolen by anyone.

Certainly not saying it is a fact as we don't know the circumstances of this specific incident.

Statistically do most married couples name each other on their insurance policies and can one spouse have sole possession of property in a marriage?

I have NO idea and these are questions.

You are correct about the taking and driving away IF the partner is not named on the policy OR can proof beyond a reasonable doubt that they had no right to drive the car. My guess is that this would be deemed a domestic dispute.

I stand very much by my first point but respect your callous observation

callous = without sympathy or feeling for other people A fair definition??

Thankfully I have only had to sympathise with those that have been a victim as oposed to being a victim.

Regards
John

 

[GrahamC230K]

I think, perhaps I might not be opening my mind to a worst case scenario that that perhaps you are all seeing.

This of course could be many scenarios, late home for dinner, seen talking to a colleague in a pub after work, perhaps even unfaithful in a not very long term relationship. No, none of those deserved this.

So the only worst case scenario I can think of is married man, long term marriage lets say 10 years+, children, another baby on the way etc etc, has been found unfaithful, not a once off, been going on for 6 months+ aboslute no doubnt about it, perhaps even an admission from him to avoid doubt.

If this marriage had anything, the loss this guy feels, the hurts he goes through, is surely that his married home life is gone or at least never the same again. YES he caused it all, but we all know the excitemnt and buzz suddenly comes to a heart stopping crunch. We've seen the films, tv and read the books.

Does the writing on the car car hurt him more? Not if he had anything to worry about loosing.

Do I think it understandable in this wild and extreme scenario? No.

So maybe I am cold, or maybe I just have more respect for self control and not damaging others property in a mailicious way.

 

[glojo]

So maybe I am cold, or maybe I just have more respect for self control and not damaging others property in a mailicious way.

Definitely the former.

We ALL have a point where enough is enough and NO ONE here knows why that damage was done, we might find press reports but they will not disclose the real truth. You start listing a worse case scenario, so imagine that worse case and the innocent party actually catches their partner in the act! They are then laughed at and told in no uncertain terms that they are a failure! We all have our limits and we will all react differently.

I am not being a judge and saying it's right, or its wrong. I am saying I can understand how there might be an understandable reason for this unlawful behaviour.

Your callous

John

 

[GrahamC230K]

Feeling this way is one thing, but at the back of my mind would always be getting caught (re criminal damage part), so I can safely say, not I wouldn't do that.

Giving one of them a slap at the time, perhaps, reflex action, but that took some thinking about even if only walking from the bedroom to the street outside.

I normally start seeing the other side of the argument by now in these debates (easilly swayed with a half decent argument) but I don't see it here at all.

 

[crockers]

A few points - I don't think an insurance company would pay out for this if it has been done by a partner / spouse etc. In the same way they wouldnt pay out for theft from your house if someone living there decided to take your goods.

It may also be a case of mistaken identify.....Imagine if she / he did that to the car and later realised it wasnt the right one.....hmmm

Yes cheating is bad - but without knowing the circumstance I cant stand in judgement on that part. Vandalism is also bad - but if they are married then the other partner also owns that car or part of it so it isnt vandalism in the true sense of the world but perhaps a new art form...

 

[Spinal]

Looking at your married example, my own unqualified guess would be, if she is not the registered keeper, the car is not hers. Likewise if she took the car without permission, it would be a TWOC as if stolen by anyone.

Actually, my understanding is that you CAN be the owner of a vehicle without being the registered keeper... I can't find the VOSA article on this, but taken from a prominent insurance website:

What is the difference between the 'owner' and 'registered keeper'?
There may be a reason for the owner and registered keeper to be different individuals. For example, you may use a car that is owned by someone else in which case you would be the registered keeper. Or you may own a car that you allow your children to use and therefore the registered keeper would be one of your children.

Michele