Stop expanding the ULEZ to all the London boroughs in 2023

[Darrell]

You’ll have to be on Facebook to view it and it could've been taken out of context but it’s bloody funny.

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[markjay]

To me it appears to be a made up role that gives a particular individual too much power.

Did London really need a mayor like this? They even seem to be able to overrule decisions in planning permission.

I think the people at the time that wanted a Mayor of London were trying to copy the Americans with their Mayor of New York.

1998 Greater London Authority referendum - Wikipedia

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Democracy, init?

 

[Darrell]

1998 Greater London Authority referendum - Wikipedia

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Democracy, init?

I don’t remember that at all but if it was a democratic vote then I demand another one. And another one until it goes my way.

 

[markjay]

I don’t remember that at all but if it was a democratic vote then I demand another one. And another one until it goes my way.

...and once this is sorted, proceed to Brexit and Scotland independence, obviously

 

[Skd884]

Drivers' fury as TfL set to impose toll on the Blackwall Tunnel - as Sadiq Khan risks another clash with motorists

Drivers are facing another clobbering in London after it emerged a toll will be imposed at the Blackwall Tunnel - one of the Thames' busiest crossings.

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[Darrell]

Drivers' fury as TfL set to impose toll on the Blackwall Tunnel - as Sadiq Khan risks another clash with motorists

Drivers are facing another clobbering in London after it emerged a toll will be imposed at the Blackwall Tunnel - one of the Thames' busiest crossings.

www.lbc.co.uk

I said a while ago on here that Kahn wants to get his grubby mitts on the Dartford Crossing toll money.

It looks like he’s going in the right direction.

 

[Darrell]

...and once this is sorted, proceed to Brexit and Scotland independence, obviously

Of course. That’s how it works innit?

 

[davymead]

Drivers' fury as TfL set to impose toll on the Blackwall Tunnel - as Sadiq Khan risks another clash with motorists

Drivers are facing another clobbering in London after it emerged a toll will be imposed at the Blackwall Tunnel - one of the Thames' busiest crossings.

www.lbc.co.uk

It really does make you wonder sometimes if Kahn’s ultimate goal is civil unrest.

 

[Petrol Pete]

If mass Civil unrest comes to Khans doorstep he will wish that Boris was not forced to scrap those water cannons he bought a while back

 

[TeddyRuxpin]

There won't be any civil unrest though, this is the UK. We'll all just accept it and moan to each other quietly as quality of life gets shitter and shitter.

 

[Darrell]

 

[Tonygw]

that is absolutely spot on Darrell

 

[Darrell]

that is absolutely spot on Darrell

One of my black cab driver mates sent it to me.

 

[markjay]

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How true. Also, I am told that - astonishly - if you pay the government a hefty bribe called 'V-E-D', then you can actually legally drive a super-polluting gas-gazzling V8 AMG! Scandalous. Absolutely scandalous.

 

[TeddyRuxpin]

Something I've thought of for a while:

As a softer launch, the Mayor/TFL should have simply said: when registering a 'NEW' (to you) car to your home address with the DVLA, anybody that lives in the Greater London area is not allowed to purchase/register a car that doesn't meet Euro 4 petrol and Euro 6 diesel ULEZ standards.

That way people could keep their car to the end of its reasonable life and when the time comes to replace the car, you have to choose a ULEZ compliant car. In a few years, cars would be compliant (as they would be anyway, but it would speed things up). You could also offer the scrappage scheme to people who want to voluntarily swap to a newer car.

Yes, there are many people that travel from outside the M25 into London and this doesn't deal with that, but this would surely be a better, softer launch during a cost of living crisis. I'd hazard a guess that there would have been a 90-95% reduction in complaints.

(Or they could have just kept it within the North/South circular like it is now and stopped pretending that this was simply about people's health)

 

[TeddyRuxpin]

How true. Also, I am told that - astonishly - if you pay the government a hefty bribe called 'V-E-D', then you can actually legally drive a super-polluting gas-gazzling V8 AMG! Scandalous. Absolutely scandalous.

Erm - the V8s don't put out lots of NOx and soot particulates, which is supposedly what this is all about. Remember - you're the one that's reminded people of this several times in this thread, this is apparently all about local air quality not 'the environment' as a whole.

 

[Darrell]

Something I've thought of for a while:

As a softer launch, the Mayor/TFL should have simply said: when registering a 'NEW' (to you) car to your home address with the DVLA, anybody that lives in the Greater London area is not allowed to purchase/register a car that doesn't meet Euro 4 petrol and Euro 6 diesel ULEZ standards.

That way people could keep their car to the end of its reasonable life and when the time comes to replace the car, you have to choose a ULEZ compliant car. In a few years, cars would be compliant (as they would be anyway, but it would speed things up). You could also offer the scrappage scheme to people who want to voluntarily swap to a newer car.

Yes, there are many people that travel from outside the M25 into London and this doesn't deal with that, but this would surely be a better, softer launch during a cost of living crisis. I'd hazard a guess that there would have been a 90-95% reduction in complaints.

(Or they could have just kept it within the North/South circular like it is now and stopped pretending that this was simply about people's health)

I said something similar way back in this thread but unfortunately doing it this way doesn’t raise TfL much money.

 

[Darrell]

Erm - the V8s don't put out lots of NOx and soot particulates, which is supposedly what this is all about. Remember - you're the one that's reminded people of this several times in this thread, this is apparently all about local air quality not 'the environment' as a whole.

I think he was joking.

 

[TeddyRuxpin]

I think he was joking.

Joking or facetious? I suppose being facetious is a type of 'joking'...

But it's a common argument against charging for and profiting off something which is harmful. But the reality is the analogy doesn't work.

 

[TeddyRuxpin]

I said something similar way back in this thread but unfortunately doing it this way doesn’t raise TfL much money.

No no no, it's all my original idea and I won't hear anything otherwise!