To buy a 190e with fuelling issues?

[ToeKnee]

I'm far from offended and certainly not looking for an argument but I hear often from people who know next to nothing about tuning that megasquirt is rubbish when I know it isn't, obviously from your statements you've known of problems so have your own opinion just like I have mine.
When I see statements like "And dont considor megasquirt, that name gets thrown about by people doing projects themselves on the cheap" without anything to back it up then I like to counter comment. Since then you've obviously stated your reasons just as I've stated mine.
We're not agreeing and not really disagreeing so, like you, I'll finish here with thanking you for explaining your position and giving me the opportunity to explain mine. Hope you have a good week.

 

[carat 3.6]

A surprising number of 190e s are being offered for sale, without a substantial discount, where the seller is frank enough to admit that they have no more time to investigate an issue. eg poor cold starting ("might just be the HT leads"....or might need a new K-Jetronic), or it randomly stalls when warm and decelerating. Or indeed has clutch judder when cold.

When I sell cars they are running well, so I'm surprised at how many 190e s have issues like these but are still asking £5-7k (because they are said to have no rust and have the combination of factory A/C and no sunroof that I prefer).

Am I unfair to think that with faults like these, which the seller has tried to resolve themselves but given up on, I should expect almost £1500-£2000 off so I can hand it to a Mercedes Independent and say "please fix" ?

I know this thread is asking about the 190, but have you considered an early w202 c class? That may be a better fit for what your looking for, something like a c180 classic will have air con and minimal electrics, they even have manual rear windows.

 

[MichaelMB]

I know this thread is asking about the 190, but have you considered an early w202 c class? That may be a better fit for what your looking for, something like a c180 classic will have air con and minimal electrics, they even have manual rear windows.

Blimey. No, I don't know enough about all the Mercedes designations. I knew ofa C180 that I see is called the W203 but can't get used to the headlights. The W202 has passed me by, and I shall now enjoy learning about it! I am guilty of listening to many who feel that the W201 and W124 were the last old school Mercs with a great feeling of quality, so hadn't wanted to look any newer. But thanks, I will learn more about the W202

 

[carat 3.6]

Blimey. No, I don't know enough about all the Mercedes designations. I knew ofa C180 that I see is called the W203 but can't get used to the headlights. The W202 has passed me by, and I shall now enjoy learning about it! I am guilty of listening to many who feel that the W201 and W124 were the last old school Mercs with a great feeling of quality, so hadn't wanted to look any newer. But thanks, I will learn more about the W202

The early c class were very similar to a w124 in alot of ways, later on they had facelift and gained more electrics. Think of it as a 190 in a sharp suit.

 

[ChipChop]

Always considered the w202 to be more liable to rot than the w201. Quite fancy a straight six w202 c280 though. Oh and there is also the magnificent om605 engined w202 c250 turbodiesel to consider as well.

 

[MichaelMB]

Always considered the w202 to be more liable to rot than the w201. Quite fancy a straight six w202 c280 though. Oh and there is also the magnificent om605 engined w202 c250 turbodiesel to consider as well.

Yes, I have now read a fair few reviews of the W202. On paper it suits me due to the wizardry of being a fraction larger than the W201 yet giving almost as much interior space as the significantly larger W124. I like it's looks, the spec I want is fairly available, the MPG is improved over the W201. But research suggests that they are mainly rusty by now and have more reliability issues than the W201 or W124.

 

[MichaelMB]

Yes, I have now read a fair few reviews of the W202. On paper it suits me due to the wizardry of being a fraction larger than the W201 yet giving almost as much interior space as the significantly larger W124. I like it's looks, the spec I want is fairly available, the MPG is improved over the W201. But research suggests that they are mainly rusty by now and have more reliability issues than the W201 or W124.

I meant to add that I do now have first refusal on a W201 but not available until late February 2025 when the sellers, who bought it new, take delivery of their next new car. It has a full service history and is immaculate, as new and allegedly rust free having spent it's first 8 years with them in Qatar, then rarely used and always garaged in UK. 75000 miles . Poverty spec 1.8 manual, wind up windows but my required Behr a/c and no sunroof. Should remain very reliable and few gizmos to go wrong. A bit expensive but fair enough too if, when I see it, it's as good as promised and photographed.
In the meantime a stunning looking W124 coupe has cropped up. £3500 dearer and almost 100,000 miles more. 2.2 with 4 speed auto, Behr a/C, no sunroof. It was written off in 2008, possibly not recorded as such and rebuilt to an exemplary standard by a MB master technician. Many new panels and parts, all rust cut out, cream leather, dark blue metallic respray. OH will probably find it a bit big to drive it much cf the W201, and a bit flashy. And not a good colour for our rural roads. But jeez it is pretty to look at. Head says the lovely 190 with impeccable provenance and great practicality. Heart says take a gamble on the W124 coupe. But, I don't have anything to prove, don't want jealous people to key my car, and will fall out of love with a car that is high maintenance.....the car will be used almost daily for B road local trips and will often be left in car parks. If I only wanted a car for occasional enthusiast meets, and wanted to tell the large number of MGBGT owners in a local club that this glamorous coupe cost no more than their cars....no brainer! One of them has already said the W201 is great as a bland taxi!!!

 

[carat 3.6]

I meant to add that I do now have first refusal on a W201 but not available until late February 2025 when the sellers, who bought it new, take delivery of their next new car. It has a full service history and is immaculate, as new and allegedly rust free having spent it's first 8 years with them in Qatar, then rarely used and always garaged in UK. 75000 miles . Poverty spec 1.8 manual, wind up windows but my required Behr a/c and no sunroof. Should remain very reliable and few gizmos to go wrong. A bit expensive but fair enough too if, when I see it, it's as good as promised and photographed.
In the meantime a stunning looking W124 coupe has cropped up. £3500 dearer and almost 100,000 miles more. 2.2 with 4 speed auto, Behr a/C, no sunroof. It was written off in 2008, possibly not recorded as such and rebuilt to an exemplary standard by a MB master technician. Many new panels and parts, all rust cut out, cream leather, dark blue metallic respray. OH will probably find it a bit big to drive it much cf the W201, and a bit flashy. And not a good colour for our rural roads. But jeez it is pretty to look at. Head says the lovely 190 with impeccable provenance and great practicality. Heart says take a gamble on the W124 coupe. But, I don't have anything to prove, don't want jealous people to key my car, and will fall out of love with a car that is high maintenance.....the car will be used almost daily for B road local trips and will often be left in car parks. If I only wanted a car for occasional enthusiast meets, and wanted to tell the large number of MGBGT owners in a local club that this glamorous coupe cost no more than their cars....no brainer! One of them has already said the W201 is great as a bland taxi!!!

If you do take a look at the 124 check the condition of the jacking points, and make sure the engine wiring loom has been replaced.

 

[MichaelMB]

If you do take a look at the 124 check the condition of the jacking points, and make sure the engine wiring loom has been replaced.

If you do take a look at the 124 check the condition of the jacking points, and make sure the engine wiring loom has been replaced.

Vendor states: "This

If you do take a look at the 124 check the condition of the jacking points, and make sure the engine wiring loom has been replaced.

Vendor states:
"This outstanding 1995 Mercedes-Benz E220 C124 pillarless coupe, was comprehensively restored over an 8 year period by a Mercedes master technician. Painted 366 Azurite Blue outside and with 265 Champagne Quartz leather inside. Received a bare-metal respray with all corrosion removed. Head gasket replaced; new front and rear screens; rebuilt suspension and brakes; new 8-hole 15” diamond-cut Mercedes wheels with Michelin tyres. Virtually-unmarked interior with fresh headlining. Brand-new Denso air-conditioning compressor. In remarkable condition throughout. Many £1000s, and hundreds of hours, have been spent on the restoration.

Over the course of 8 years, the car was systematically stripped and rebuilt to a high standard, using genuine Mercedes parts. Highlights of the refurbishment include:
Take body back to bare steel shell
Remove all corrosion; replace and/or repair panels
Respray in 366 Azurite Blue; coat in ceramic lacquer
Waxoyl body cavities and underside
Overhaul cylinder head and replace head gasket
Fit new fuel pump, exhaust, all filters and service items
Fit new Denso air-conditioning compressor, v-belt and dryer
Fit new OEM engine under-tray
Renew brake lines, pads, discs and suspension components
Replace transmission shifter bushes
Fit new front and rear screens, plus various window/ door seals
Replace interior headlining and recover seats with OEM Mercedes trim
Fit new diamond-cut wheels; fit new Michelin tyres

The car comes complete with a used spare wheel in the boot and I have a matching brand new Mercedes boxed spare wheel too, that comes free with the car. It also has a genuine 1995 sales brochure for the W124 Coupe, and its owner's manual included. It is stored in Enfield at present. Contact me if you are interested in buying the car.

This Mercedes W124 Coupe is a superb example that has been carefully and thoughtfully restored by a Mercedes master technician. His efforts resulted in a car that is in simply stunning condition. " He is pretty sure that the harness is upgraded, but will check. It does have the sometimes troublesome climate control rather than A/C, but a smallish 2.2 engine and the rugged 4 speed auto. £10k is twice the price of an average coupe these days mind you.

 

[carat 3.6]

Vendor states: "This

Vendor states:
"This outstanding 1995 Mercedes-Benz E220 C124 pillarless coupe, was comprehensively restored over an 8 year period by a Mercedes master technician. Painted 366 Azurite Blue outside and with 265 Champagne Quartz leather inside. Received a bare-metal respray with all corrosion removed. Head gasket replaced; new front and rear screens; rebuilt suspension and brakes; new 8-hole 15” diamond-cut Mercedes wheels with Michelin tyres. Virtually-unmarked interior with fresh headlining. Brand-new Denso air-conditioning compressor. In remarkable condition throughout. Many £1000s, and hundreds of hours, have been spent on the restoration.

Over the course of 8 years, the car was systematically stripped and rebuilt to a high standard, using genuine Mercedes parts. Highlights of the refurbishment include:
Take body back to bare steel shell
Remove all corrosion; replace and/or repair panels
Respray in 366 Azurite Blue; coat in ceramic lacquer
Waxoyl body cavities and underside
Overhaul cylinder head and replace head gasket
Fit new fuel pump, exhaust, all filters and service items
Fit new Denso air-conditioning compressor, v-belt and dryer
Fit new OEM engine under-tray
Renew brake lines, pads, discs and suspension components
Replace transmission shifter bushes
Fit new front and rear screens, plus various window/ door seals
Replace interior headlining and recover seats with OEM Mercedes trim
Fit new diamond-cut wheels; fit new Michelin tyres

The car comes complete with a used spare wheel in the boot and I have a matching brand new Mercedes boxed spare wheel too, that comes free with the car. It also has a genuine 1995 sales brochure for the W124 Coupe, and its owner's manual included. It is stored in Enfield at present. Contact me if you are interested in buying the car.

This Mercedes W124 Coupe is a superb example that has been carefully and thoughtfully restored by a Mercedes master technician. His efforts resulted in a car that is in simply stunning condition. " He is pretty sure that the harness is upgraded, but will check. It does have the sometimes troublesome climate control rather than A/C, but a smallish 2.2 engine and the rugged 4 speed auto. £10k is twice the price of an average coupe these days mind you.

Sounds good, and the wiring has probably been replaced, but still worth a quick check when your there as it is a known issue on these cars.