Travellers taken over Benz World

[RonFleet]

I am retired now but thought that the authorities could seize their vehicles, maybe someone with better knowledge could update this.

As I said before unless they had committed an offence allowing detention they were generally bailed.

As their name would be along the lines John Smith, born about 1960 guv, with some caravan site as an address they rarely turned up for court dates.

If they were later detained it was unlikely you could properly identify them so they were bailed again and so the saga continued.

I believe from memory (not great) many are Irish travellers as some law was changed in Ireland that made it better for them to travel here.

Maybe in time as more and more seem to settle down their way of life will die out which would be a shame as it would not take a huge effort for us all to live in harmony or maybe I’m getting fluffier in my old age.

Robin


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Fluffier.

 

[flowrider]

If the council/police confiscate their cars/trucks how do they move on?

 

[RonFleet]

If the council/police confiscate their cars/trucks how do they move on?

Good point - well made!

 

[mat8n]

If the council/police confiscate their cars/trucks how do they move on?

In a stolen transit van or L200 owned by a local hard working self employed guy, never to be seen in the area again.

 

[Doodle]

I did hear of one unconventional approach by some enterprising individuals after repeated "visits" from travellers. Having secured one of the caravans doors/windows firmly shut, they proceeded to take it (and it's occupants) for a high speed tour of the bumpier parts of the fields and surrounding areas on the back of a 4x4.

 

[leef44]

If the council/police confiscate their cars/trucks how do they move on?

Does the conversation go something like this:

traveller: you can't arrest me, I have no fixed abode
police: yes I can, you live here
traveller: ok, that's great, it's official then, we live here. Everyone! We can stay here now! Forever!
police: ok, maybe you're right. I can't arrest you.

 

[jaymanek]

Nice advertisement for MB world!

 

[leef44]

Nice advertisement for MB world!

yes I noticed that. The only bit they missed out was the opening times and the telephone number. I think they captured everything else.

 

[E55BOF]

In a stolen transit van or L200 owned by a local hard working self employed guy, never to be seen in the area again.

And that is precisely my point; the law can't seem to stop them, but the locals would be all in favour of the problem becoming somebody else's and remaining so.

Does the conversation go something like this:

traveller: you can't arrest me, I have no fixed abode
police: yes I can, you live here
traveller: ok, that's great, it's official then, we live here. Everyone! We can stay here now! Forever!
police: ok, maybe you're right. I can't arrest you.

You don't have to have a 'fixed abode' to be arrested, believe me.

 

[Deleted member 6183]

You don't have to have a 'fixed abode' to be arrested, believe me.

I'll believe you if you confirm that you were arrested when you were homeless.

 

[Rayny]

Vagrancy law 1824 - Plus some more recent legislation

 

[AMGeed]

And that is precisely my point; the law can't seem to stop them, but the locals would be all in favour of the problem becoming somebody else's and remaining so.

A traveller site was set up a few years back just outside Poole with all amenities,shower blocks, hard standing for caravans , the lot. The site was wrecked and all the copper pipe and valuables nicked for scrap. Piles of the brown stuff is left along with old bedding and burning fires in some of the most wonderful beauty spots around the area and Poole council have to apply to the courts to get an order to move them on. It's pathetic and the law needs a serious update to stop these **** parking up wherever they choose.

 

[Scooby_Doo]

Company I worked for a good few years ago had problems with travellers. The best way to deal with them is to wait until most of their vehicles are parked up and then get a few 20T loads of stone and block them in so they can't go about their business. A bit of negotiating the following day and they've soon packed up and gone.

 

[Merkaholic]

Lets be nice now.............if it wasnt for the travelling comminity how else would we get our roofs repaired which dont need repairing or a beautifully tarmac drive way which sinks into mother earth as soon as you pay the lovely gingerly looking traveller.

 

[E53AMG]

Lets be nice now.............if it wasnt for the travelling comminity how else would we get our roofs repaired which dont need repairing or a beautifully tarmac drive way which sinks into mother earth as soon as you pay the lovely gingerly looking traveller.

Or half your driveway jet cleaned with a monetary demand to finish the job...

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[Petrol Pete]

We have a permanent site for them around here (how the F does that work..? permanent site..for people who travel ?) And they are nothing but trouble. A couple of people I know and a few of the pub landlords had the 'ear' of the 'king' Gypsy on that site and he would be contacted from time to time to when the youngsters had got out of hand (usually leaving without paying) and the dispute would normally be sorted.
But he has recently been jailed and the youngsters are staring to play up again, usually causing fights in pubs.

Two brand new 4x4 sign written pick-up trucks have been added to their tarmac business recently, mobile phone number (only) on the sides which gets peeled off and replaced quite often and the fact that the name of the town they are operating out of is spelt wrong on both trucks !

Two tough looking young travellers 'shopping' in Tesco with a young woman in tow , she was in pyjamas, slippers a great big fluffy robe with full make up and hair tied up in an enormous towel ?? Why bring her in other than to get a reaction from someone and start trouble ? why did she just not sit in the car and wait ? no shame.

Two very young (but old enough to know better) traveller girls walking around inside Sainsbury's without shopping baskets but both munching on a full blown MacDonald's meal, burger, fries, drinks. WHY ? the only reason I can imagine is that they want staff to ask them to leave so they can cause a scene.

Just P*ss takers , the lot of them. Lucky for them they live in the land of the soft.

 

[Petrol Pete]

Just another one. My neighbour had here kitchen and bathroom replaced recently, when I noticed all of the old carcasses and worktops out on the patio I joked with my neighbour about 50 trips to the recycling he would be making to get rid of them.

Not this time he said , the builder was dealing with it.

A tipper Transit (known to me) arrived one day and I watched to two lads fill it with loads of kitchen scrap and drive off, within in a very short time they were back for the second load.

I know this area very well and there is no way they made it to any legal dumping facility. 'Travellers' fly tipping. I didn't have the heart to tell my neighbour they are honest upstanding people and would have been mortified at the thought of their old kitchen and bathroom being disposed of in that way. And would probably have raised a stink with the builder, which could have come back on me.

This is how they operate. They always will unless you crack down hard on them

 

[Crickleymal]

We were rehanging our church bells a couple of years ago. The bells had to go off for refurbishment so we put them by the lych gate ready for the bellhanger's lorry. Blow me if ten minutes after the first bell was put there a white transit turned up with two blokes in it. "Do you want to get rid of them bells mate?" So we surrounded them with our cars so the blighters couldn't get to them.
But how did they know? The church is down a dead end lane with no line of sight to any other road. It's out in the country so nearest town and traveller site is 5 miles away. It seemed odd that they just turned up on the off chance precisely as we were getting the bells down.

 

[Deleted96908]

But how did they know?

Somebody rang them?

 

[brucemillar]

Just a polite reminder. It is the property owners "legal" responsibility to ensure that anybody they use to dump their rubbish has he correct license and disposal documents. Ignorance is no longer accepted as an excuse. There have been several recent cases reported widely in Kent where homeowners have been prosecuted for "dumping" rubbish that they had paid others to dump for them. Most recently a young mother who was fined £750 for dumping a kitchen that she claimed she had paid some 'men' to dump for her. The Council went through the rubbish and found a label with her address, then established that she had a band new kitchen fitted.

To add some balance to the argument but to defend nobody. I collapsed while out walking my dogs in the local Country Lanes. I was found unconscious by some of the local Gypsies (it transpired I had been lying their for 45 minutes). They called an ambulance, got me in the recovery position, stayed with me, called my wife (I have an ICE number on my mobile). Then came to check if I was okay, some days later. One of the young ladies lost her father, three days later, when he fell from a scaffold and was killed aged just 42. He was working legally at the time.

On the flip side, we have suffered from some petty crime. The local group say that this is "tinkers" (their words) and they do not welcome them or want them.