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Travellers taken over Benz World

Didn't gypsies used to do all that secret marking with sticks and stones?

Some memory from my childhood is stirring
 
brucemillar said:
Just a polite reminder. It is the property owners "legal" responsibility to ensure that anybody they use to dump their rubbish has he correct license and disposal documents. Ignorance is no longer accepted as an excuse. There have been several recent cases reported widely in Kent where homeowners have been prosecuted for "dumping" rubbish that they had paid others to dump for them. Most recently a young mother who was fined £750 for dumping a kitchen that she claimed she had paid some 'men' to dump for her. The Council went through the rubbish and found a label with her address, then established that she had a band new kitchen fitted.

To add some balance to the argument but to defend nobody. I collapsed while out walking my dogs in the local Country Lanes. I was found unconscious by some of the local Gypsies (it transpired I had been lying their for 45 minutes). They called an ambulance, got me in the recovery position, stayed with me, called my wife (I have an ICE number on my mobile). Then came to check if I was okay, some days later. One of the young ladies lost her father, three days later, when he fell from a scaffold and was killed aged just 42. He was working legally at the time.

On the flip side, we have suffered from some petty crime. The local group say that this is "tinkers" (their words) and they do not welcome them or want them.
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There are good and bad in all walks of life Bruce.
It's just a pity that the travelling fraternity, rightfully it appears, deserve their reputation as filthy, thieving, lawless individuals and unwanted in civilized society.
 
AMGeed said:
It's just a pity that the travelling fraternity, rightfully it appears, deserve their reputation as filthy, thieving, lawless individuals and unwanted in civilized society.
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Please don't sit on the fence on this topic, say what you mean :D
 
I know some have argued against impounding illegal vehicles on the grounds that the caravans etc could not be moved but why should this prevent illegal vehicles from being removed from our roads or vehicles impounded until sites are cleared up properly at the expense of those that caused the problem?

The caravans could be moved to a suitable pre-chosen site by Council approved contractors with the Police present to assure compliance, you would ensure water and lavatory facilities are available and under 24 hour guard to record any vandalism etc.

The vehicles would be held until fines are paid, vehicle faults rectified etc, if not then sold at auction to recoup costs. Setting up one or two per county would not be that prohibitive.

Additional charges could be made to cover some if not all the associated costs. I am sure the potential inconvenience of this to the
"Travellers" and impact on their earnings would be an incentive to comply.

Unless we take pro-active steps to address the problem and firmly focus the consequences of the actions of the Traveller community that behave in these ways directly on themselves why will things change?
 
DSM10000 said:
I know some have argued against impounding illegal vehicles on the grounds that the caravans etc could not be moved but why should this prevent illegal vehicles from being removed from our roads or vehicles impounded until sites are cleared up properly at the expense of those that caused the problem?

The caravans could be moved to a suitable pre-chosen site by Council approved contractors with the Police present to assure compliance, you would ensure water and lavatory facilities are available and under 24 hour guard to record any vandalism etc.

The vehicles would be held until fines are paid, vehicle faults rectified etc, if not then sold at auction to recoup costs. Setting up one or two per county would not be that prohibitive.

Additional charges could be made to cover some if not all the associated costs. I am sure the potential inconvenience of this to the
"Travellers" and impact on their earnings would be an incentive to comply.

Unless we take pro-active steps to address the problem and firmly focus the consequences of the actions of the Traveller community that behave in these ways directly on themselves why will things change?
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Because people are too scared.
 
Recently up the road from us a Women had her Caravan stolen, she suspected it was in the nearby Traveller site and informed the Police. They wouldnt do anything about it. She hired a Microlight and flew over the site only to spot it.

Police wouldnt investigate or do anything about it as they didnt have the resources (eg, Riot Vans) “Due to officer safety it was not safe or legal for them to enter the site"

Woman finds stolen caravan on travellers’ site after police 'scared' to enter

After posting this on Social media, the Caravan was dumped. The common train of thought is that one of the liaison officers did a deal with them to stop the forces negative spotlight they were getting.

Not a week goes past without some trouble. last week a Cyclist was punched in the face from someone leaning out of a van down Fen Road.


We have 5 major sites within 10miles of Cambridge.
 
Crickleymal said:
We were rehanging our church bells a couple of years ago. The bells had to go off for refurbishment so we put them by the lych gate ready for the bellhanger's lorry. Blow me if ten minutes after the first bell was put there a white transit turned up with two blokes in it. "Do you want to get rid of them bells mate?" So we surrounded them with our cars so the blighters couldn't get to them.
But how did they know? The church is down a dead end lane with no line of sight to any other road. It's out in the country so nearest town and traveller site is 5 miles away. It seemed odd that they just turned up on the off chance precisely as we were getting the bells down.
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100% social media. They were watching. Taking the bells down is probably something you don't do regularly so I guess it was a bit of an event and word got around.
 
DrFeelgood said:
Because people are too scared.
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In that case we need to make it very clear to those seeking election as Police and Crime Commissioners et al that we demand that resources be used to tackle such problems if they occur in their areas of responsibility.

We do have the power of the ballot and can use it to insist that those both at local and national level listen to and act upon such concerns.
 
There are their human rights to consider, their way of life to protect etc.

They operate in reasonably high numbers and can be quite violent.

Police resources are finite, there used to be an unwillingness to deal with them, not from rank and file police officers but from senior management.

I remember many years ago quite a large contingent of travellers rolled up and parked outside the fun fair on Marine Parade at Gt Yarmouth.

They refused to move, what did we do?

Nothing, just closed off the road and left them to it, an inconvenience to the public but heyho.

Another large contingent rolled up and parked on an unoccupied factory site at Mile Cross, Norwich.

Loads of complaints from residents, youth riding mini motor bikes about in early hours, noise, rubbish and filth.
To the most part they were left to it.

To move on travellers who when in large numbers inevitably will kick off requires a huge amount of manpower and willpower.

If it was to be done and some youth or child got injured the press would be on the case putting blame on the police for heavy handedness.

No win situation really so easier to wait for them to move on.

It’s a trade off I guess for living in our free society.

Robin


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Headhurts said:
There are their human rights to consider, their way of life to protect etc.
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Interesting. It seems their "human rights and way of life to protect" are considered more important than the majority who are law abiding tax paying citizens?
There is something badly wrong here. One law for us to abide by, and all the laws for them to ignore.
 
Brother in law had a run in with some recently. He owns a small business with a car park on a business park. Turned up one morning to find a few of them parked up blocking car park and entrance. Intimidating staff and him. Police called, waste of time. They wanted money from him to move on,apparently cars had no fuel so needed for that.. After police were unwilling to do anything he ended up giving them £300 , closing his business for the day and spend a few £000 on bollards/prevention to try and stop it happening again.

All just plain wrong in my book.
 
Reading these reports of limited or no action by police unfortunately reminds me of the Rochdale grooming scandal where police and social workers were accused of failing to investigate the Asian paedophile gang for fear of being perceived as racist. What the Travellers are seen to be and alleged to be doing is almost insignificant by comparison, but could the fact that they appear to be getting away with it be for the same reasons?
 
Headhurts said:
There are their human rights to consider, their way of life to protect etc.

They operate in reasonably high numbers and can be quite violent.

Police resources are finite, there used to be an unwillingness to deal with them, not from rank and file police officers but from senior management.

I remember many years ago quite a large contingent of travellers rolled up and parked outside the fun fair on Marine Parade at Gt Yarmouth.

They refused to move, what did we do?

Nothing, just closed off the road and left them to it, an inconvenience to the public but heyho.

Another large contingent rolled up and parked on an unoccupied factory site at Mile Cross, Norwich.

Loads of complaints from residents, youth riding mini motor bikes about in early hours, noise, rubbish and filth.
To the most part they were left to it.

To move on travellers who when in large numbers inevitably will kick off requires a huge amount of manpower and willpower.

If it was to be done and some youth or child got injured the press would be on the case putting blame on the police for heavy handedness.

No win situation really so easier to wait for them to move on.

It’s a trade off I guess for living in our free society.

Robin


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This is simply not an excuse nor reason to carry on as normal.

Society needs to take a stand and be firm, people who exploit weakness will carry on doing so until they come across a consistent and resolute will to oppose the way they operate.
 
Many moons ago I worked for the infamous Brent council in the works department. Around this time travellers invaded and took over the beautiful Fryent Way country park, the only really nice green area in NW London at the time. Public rightly complained and eventually the Police called the Brent works department to sort it out. None of the inspectors wanted to go there (rightly, without back up!) but one guy, an ex-Police sergeant agreed to visit the site and "have words". A supervisor reluctantly agreed to accompany him and the two set off in his car to Fryent Way.

Couple of hours later the two returned to base. Ex-sergeants car had been overturned - with BOTH men inside!! They were threatened that the car would be set alight with them in it if they didn't "Feck off back to the hole they came from!" Both guys were unhurt but very shaken and ex-sergeants car was left at the site and wrecked.

It took 6 months for the council and police to finally get them off the site and another three months to clear it of the carp they left behind and build a trench all round the park to try to prevent it happening again.

Many years later I've seen the same thing happening again near where I now live. It;s crazy and discusting.
 
I think the problem should be dealt with but.....

Imagine the police go in and inevitably the travellers kick off during the mayhem a child or youngster gets hurt.

The following day the press complain of heavy handedness by the police.

On Wednesday questions are asked at PMQ’s and all of a sudden the poor travellers who really do cause no end of problems become the poor persecuted minority.

I’m not sure if the above has ever happened but you get my point.

Robin


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Petrol Pete said:
100% social media. They were watching. Taking the bells down is probably something you don't do regularly so I guess it was a bit of an event and word got around.
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Possibly but at that point none of us was using social media. Most of the people were old codgers. It's possible that some of the neighbours might have posted about it but the removal date wasn't widely spread.
 
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