Turbo info/book recommendation.

[Bellow]

Can someone recommend a good book so that I can read up on turbochargers please?
The last one I read was the Vizard book but I suspect there must be a more up to date one by now.
Specifically, I want to know more about the turbine side of things (theory and practice), and how to read a turbine map.
Thanks.

 

[allias]

Is there any special reason for book? You can find a lot info on them online. As far as reading maps... Air float vs RPM... Its easy to read. Go thru some tuning websites and you will know how to read it.

 

[NW_Merc]

I bought a book on performance tuning and turbocharging

Turbocharging Performance Handbook Motorbooks Workshop Motorbooks Workshop Motorbooks Workshop Motorbooks Workshop: Amazon.co.uk: Jeff Hartman: Books

There's also this one I think from Haynes.

Forced Induction Performance Tuning: Bk. H691: Amazon.co.uk: A.Graham Bell: Books

 

[NISFAN]

Two fantastic books on Turbochargers are:

Turbochargers by HPBooks Author Hugh Macinnes

Maximum Boost by Bentley Publishers Author Corky Bell

Both are very technical but for use by the layman.

 

[Bellow]

Is there any special reason for book? You can find a lot info on them online. As far as reading maps... Air float vs RPM... Its easy to read. Go thru some tuning websites and you will know how to read it.

I'v had a look at some of the sites and found the Garret one the most informative, though there may be more..

Re maps. The turbine maps I have found have pressure ratio along the X-axis, mass gas flow on a left hand Y-axis, and efficiency plotted on a right hand Y-axis.
The Garret maps seem to show gas flow and efficiency as the same. Are they?
A map from turbodriven.com shows 2 lots of curves, each curve with what appears to be rpm. But no reference as to which curve set is mass flow and which is efficiency.

I want to know about the individual efficiencies of compressors and turbines and be able to view each separately, and everything that affects their operation, and where the limits are, eg pressure ratio etc.

 

[Bellow]

I bought a book on performance tuning and turbocharging

Turbocharging Performance Handbook Motorbooks Workshop Motorbooks Workshop Motorbooks Workshop Motorbooks Workshop: Amazon.co.uk: Jeff Hartman: Books

There's also this one I think from Haynes.

Forced Induction Performance Tuning: Bk. H691: Amazon.co.uk: A.Graham Bell: Books

Two fantastic books on Turbochargers are:

Turbochargers by HPBooks Author Hugh Macinnes

Maximum Boost by Bentley Publishers Author Corky Bell

Both are very technical but for use by the layman.

Thanks guys.
In light of my post prior to this one, can you help me narrow down my reading list?! Wondering if either of you are aware of the others recommendation. Aware enough to highlight overlap/duplication.

I have read the A Graham Bell books on 4-strokes, 2-strokes, and fuel inj road engines. All excellent books, very 'how to', but if his book on turbos is similar, then in this instance, it probably isn't the book I'm looking for.

Out of the 4 books, I aim to get hold of 2. Unless they all cover the same ground very closely.

On the face of it I'm drawn to one of each from you both. The Corky Bell book seems to be most suited to experimenting (good!) and the Turbocharging Performance Handbook is the other.

Looking for as in depth as possible and suspect the Corky Bell book is the one for that. Is it enough on its own, or is one of the others a requirement also?

Any further thoughts gratefully recieved.
Thanks for your help thus far.

 

[NW_Merc]

It really depends on what you want to do, if you want information on upgrading an existing turbo or adding one to a N/A engine then I'd vouch for the turbocharging performance handbook as I've read it.

However if your budget stretches and you want a different perspective buy another. I plan to buy one of the ones recommended by a fellow member as soon as finances allow.

Get as much info as you can because turbocharging is almost an art and requires knowledge so you dont get things wrong.

A very useful source of info was Mark300SL who sadly passed away recently. He would have been the man to ask.

 

[Bellow]

Thanks all. Just ordered Maximum Boost by Corky Bell, and the Turbocharging Performance Handbook. Reckon between the two of them I should find all I'm after.
It's not applying to an existing engine that I want them for, just want to know more of the art!
I never encountered Mark300SL, but I sense your loss. Possibly you have all answered for him?

 

[NISFAN]

Bellow,

Good choice buying those two books. I think it might have been the Turbocharging performance handbook I browsed at the time I bought the maximum boost book. If it is, it is a little more basic, and more aimed at extracting more power from existing set ups, and examples of first time turbo charging installations, but some good info. Probably the most up to date book too.

The Macinnes book is pure turbo geek, which I have to hold my hand up and admit to being. It is an old book now, but of course all the theory is still valid, and it holds some advanced turbo info that for me was invaluable. In a way almost every bit of info the author writes seems relevant, if you know what I mean. I rate this above Maximum boost for pure TC theory.

Maximum Boost is in between the two, and has practical suggestions regarding intercooler installation, Honda NSX twin turbo conversion example, etc. As with any book showing examples, if the examples are not similar to your installation, the whole chapter is worthless. I found big chunks of worthless info, although the valuable bits are very good.

Oh, and to comment on your post above regarding map reading. Usually turbine speed is listed on the right hand Y axis, and the Islands within the map show the efficiency, with smallest one in the centre usually being most efficient.

 

[Bellow]

Bellow,


The Macinnes book is pure turbo geek, which I have to hold my hand up and admit to being. It is an old book now, but of course all the theory is still valid, and it holds some advanced turbo info that for me was invaluable. In a way almost every bit of info the author writes seems relevant, if you know what I mean. I rate this above Maximum boost for pure TC theory.



Oh, and to comment on your post above regarding map reading. Usually turbine speed is listed on the right hand Y axis, and the Islands within the map show the efficiency, with smallest one in the centre usually being most efficient.

I have just ordered the MacInnes book as I'd be as well with the most comprehensive of them all and, despite its age, the laws of physics haven't changed.

Typical turbine map I have encountered. I expected tham to show 'islands' too, but none that I have found so far have. Not to worry, 3 books are on the way - all will become apparent.
Thanks for all your input and help. It is appreciated.

 

[NISFAN]

Let me know how you get on with the TC performance handbook, I could always add another to my Turbo book collection.

BTW, what are you thinking of doing turbo wise?

 

[Bellow]

Let me know how you get on with the TC performance handbook, I could always add another to my Turbo book collection.

BTW, what are you thinking of doing turbo wise?

Will do. Looking forward to them all arriving - hopefully by the weekend.

What I'm trying to find out is if the turbine part of a turbocharger can be made to work as a valid and efficient turbine at pressure ratios considerably higher than currently employed and within the TET limitation.
I know YouTube is full of hobby gas turbines made from turbos but I am aiming way beyond that with high PR and combustion close to stoichiometric to cut down on the wasteful air work.
A turbine efficiency of 80% would be comparable to the 80% mechanical efficiency of a piston engine, offering an alternative method to the crankshaft for extracting the energy above the piston crown....
Just expanding on some ideas really!! It's a good way to learn...