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They do make the Cayenne though - and that's twinned with the Touareg.

And of course Porsche = VW given it's drive to hold a majority stake in VW!!
 
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If I remember right the Q7 had little to do with the Touareg and Cayenne, but was going to be the basis of a now scrapped Bentley SUV.
 
Bobby Dazzler said:
If I remember right the Q7 had little to do with the Touareg and Cayenne, but was going to be the basis of a now scrapped Bentley SUV.
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WOW!, now that would be ultimate footballer's motor. Bentley SUV with 26" chrome rims:rock: :cool: :eek: :o

Will
 
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it is amazing isn't it.
apart for GM who is really losing money?

Revenue net income
Ford $173billion $2.6bn
Daimler 99bn euros 8bn
Gm $ 181bn minus 38bn
Porsche euros 6-7 bn
Toyota $202bn 13bn
Honda $ 94bn 5bn
Mitsubishi 8bn yen
Vw 104bn 2.75bn
Fiat 58bn euros 2bn euros
Renault 41bneuros 3bn euros



From 2007 manufacturers sites
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This is a fine long list of accountant speak, that is written in a way to confuse people as it has with you.

The way I read "Net income" in this context is sales minus production costs. Also referred to as gross profit.

Basically no fixed costs have been removed from these figures, i.e premises, salaries benefits etc..... so of course they're showing huge incomes....the key word missing here is profit, none of these figures represent bottom line business activities.

example....

I sell an item for £1000
I bought that item for £500 including all shipping and delivery.

My net income on that item is £500.

If my fixed costs and overheads in place relating to that item are £501, I've made a £1 loss.......but I can still state I have £500 net income from it.
 
No one is confused here except probably you.
it clearly states.
sales minus production costs which includes fixed and overheads.
so do not try to complicate the issue yourself.

sell something for £1k
cost of production including overhead,labour bills e.t.c taxes £500.
net income £500
End off.
just like your net wages. Do you add the cost of you lunch and drinks and transport to and from work to get your net wages?

that is a summary as i cannot write out every single figure there so that is not gross income.
so "the way you read" is just that.
The way you read.

the only thing missing from the costs is testing and development which cannot be added as you will need to take the total sales of every car as only one model is tested and developed for the total numbers being sold
 
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Bobby Dazzler said:
If I remember right the Q7 had little to do with the Touareg and Cayenne, but was going to be the basis of a now scrapped Bentley SUV.
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I don't know where you came up with that one, as Automotive Engineer reported a long time ago..........

The VW Touareg, Audi Q7 and Porsche Cayenne are based on the same platform. The OEMs worked together on the basic system with suppliers Bosch and Continental, but engineers are carrying out application engineering for the three vehicles independently.

A common enough way of bringing new models to the market, remember the Saab 9000, Lancia Thema, Fiat Chroma & Alfa 164? All based on the same platform too. Shared costs and all that.

Russ
 
Bobby Dazzler said:
If I remember right the Q7 had little to do with the Touareg and Cayenne, but was going to be the basis of a now scrapped Bentley SUV.
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rf065 said:
I don't know where you came up with that one, as Automotive Engineer reported a long time ago..........
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Thanks Russ.

Who was that by the way? To answer your question...

I came up with it from the depths of my dim and distant memory - I recall having read a article in Autocar magazine on a particularly nice Saturday morning about three years ago, sat in the car with a Massimo skinny wet latte, and a beautiful view.

Sadly I remember more about the day than the article, although having just Googled I came up with the very same article: http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/214464/

I recalled that the article suggested that whilst it was a development of the Touareg/Cayenne platform, it was wider, longer with a different mechanical package. My memory wasn't too bad on this occasion. ;)

I've not Googled it but if I remember reading somewhere that part of the justification in the Q7 business case was collaboration with Bentley (which would also need to be larger).

When I think it through, the concept of a Q7 is closer to the VW brand identity of VW than Audi. VW being more about practicality, and Audi more about style and sporting intent. A 7-seat SUV feels more practical, and less sporting than a 5-seat SUV.

rf065 said:
A common enough way of bringing new models to the market, remember the Saab 9000, Lancia Thema, Fiat Chroma & Alfa 164? All based on the same platform too. Shared costs and all that.
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Come off it, you'll be suggesting next that the VW Phaeton shares it's DNA with the Bentley Continental GTC.
 
Must admit, never heard that one before. Almost thought it was an April Fools joke when I glanced at the date the article was written.

Russ
 
I was specifically told the Q7 was not based on the Cayenne Toureg platfrom by an Audi salesman. Having driven a Cayenne and Q7 they do feel different to drive, and its the Porka that comes up on top.
 
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I was specifically told the Q7 was not based on the Cayenne Toureg platfrom by an Audi salesman. Having driven a Cayenne and Q7 they do feel different to drive, and its the Porka that comes up on top.
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Car salesmen are notorious for talking out of their backsides, if they don't know the answer, they just make it up.

Russ
 
No, just an automotive engineer that reported a long time ago.
 
rf065 said:
Not a car salesman are you? :bannana:

Russ
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I do often talk out of my backside if that's what you mean.

No offence to car sales men - reference to a previous quote.
 
Seem to have gone a long way from the thread topic. All good fun though.

Just to bring it back for a second. Recently looking at the details on a vintage Ford Mustang from 1971. It had a 5.7 litre V8 monster engine with power and torque a'plenty. But what amazed me was that the performance -no doubt thought terrific at the time- was 0-60 in 10.5 seconds and a top speed of 108.

My diminutive A180cdi has about the same 0-60 time and a higher topspeed. How times change.
 
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