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W115 vs W123.?

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Dear all,

still hunting for my second W123. I keep stumbling on a few 'late' 240D (W115) from 1975. I keep putting 1976 in the search engine, but some only go the nearest 10 years, so for this I put 1970.

Et Voila, sometimes I get W115's.

As a weekend runaround, a toy for the summer months, that will always be garaged, should I include cars other than from the W123 stable.?

And the vertical headlights are quite lovely!

cheers All!
 
Biggest issue with the W115 is rust. They feel more hand built in the same way that a W108 shuts with a clunk and also feel more sporty than a W123. I don't know , but you can really chuck them around. Why don't you take one for a drive?
 
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They feel pretty basic compared to a W123// The W123 was a massive leap forwards in terms or engineering, handling, reliability....
 
Parts supply, whether OEM/good pattern/used, makes the 123 the more pragmatic choice.
 
Thought as much. Got a W115 240D from 1975 with 100k miles, for sale only 15 miles away. Going to have a look this weekend.

Having owned a pristine W123 (230E) 20 years ago, it'll be a perfect chance to compare.

Parts issues is my main concern with the later models: Just had my '78 mini for 5 years, and the fact that every last nut and bolt is still available, new, was reassuring.

cheers all.
 
The only area where parts are an issue in my experience of W114s is trim, running gear and service parts not an issue. Both are great cars, just make sure they are sound in the body and free of rust.
 
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The W115 diesels are going to be dangerously slow on faster roads compared to the most basic present day saloon cars. Some say these older Mercedes diesel engines last for ever- others say they are so slow it just seems that way.:p As always body condition is paramount.
 
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Bulkhead, inner wings, sills, door base, wings and around headlights - having restored one W114!
 
To me, the W114 is a much more charming car. The W123 will be more advanced but that's a relative thing (in that the newest one is 32 years old). All a matter of taste in the end.
 
Apologies for resurrecting this thread but I had bookmarked it when doing my research, and went away thinking that the W123's ownership experience would be drastically different. Now that I have fully restored both chassis (W115 240D and W123 300D Auto), I can share that most of what has been shared on this thread is inaccurate. My ownership experience of both below:

Parts: The W115 and W123 part supply is remarkably similar. I'd say that 95% of all parts for the W123 are still available new from Mercedes. That number drops 90% for the W115 (I have compiled an exact list of parts that are NLA for my 240D). The rest are available from OEM suppliers - simply incredible for a 52/43 year old car!

Driving Experience: The W115 feels like a 4 door diesel sports car. I realize most will be skeptical when reading this. Believe me, I was so surprised when I drove mine! The handling and road feel is leagues beyond any Classic made by Mercedes in the past several decades and is vastly superior to the R107, W126, C126, W108, W116 and yes, the W123, which feels more plush, more akin to an armored barge in comparison. The W115 has hit 88 mph on the motorway, the W123 will easily hit 100 mph). Both cruise at 70mph with no issues and keep up with modern cars in city traffic very easily. Over the course of the last year, the W115 nets 36 mpg in mixed conditions, the W123 nets 32 mpg (Imperial). These figure increase to 40 mpg and 36 mpg on long motorway drives at 60 mph.

Rust: Both cars rust badly when left in the elements or driven in the winter. Surprisingly, my W115 rusts less because of the paint color (signal red), which had high levels of lead metal in the paint, which helped prevent corrosion. It's imperative to protect these cars with the proper chemical treatments and if done right, they will last longer than all of us.

Mechanical: The W115 gets a bad rep for the location of its oil filter but that messy job aside, it's W123-like in that it is a really easy car to maintain. Both diesel motors are nearly identical and the earlier series glow plugs can easily be upgraded to parallel pencil plugs for easier start ups. Both cars are designed to rely on rubber suspension parts, so if you replace anything, make sure parts are from Mercedes. They're not expensive at all, especially by modern car standards. Emphasize preventative maintenance and you, like me, will never experience a breakdown.

Looks: Arguably the most subjective. The W115 gets the most attention, especially from the fairer sex. The W123 isn't far behind but I've noticed that men pay much more attention to it. What always amazes me is the diversity of ethnicities that admire these cars. I've been stopped by British, German, African, South Asian, Australian and Scandinavian admirers in London, most of whom offer to purchase the vehicles from me.

Martin Buckley, automotive journalist for Classic and Sports Car, Classic Mercedes, Mercedes Enthusiast etc. drove my W115 last weekend and said that he thought it was an anomaly - no vehicle so easy to own has ever been so much fun to drive and so practical to use. I have little left to add.
 
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Apologies for resurrecting this thread but I had bookmarked it when doing my research, and went away thinking that the W123's ownership experience would be drastically different. Now that I have fully restored both chassis (W115 240D and W123 300D Auto), I can share that most of what has been shared on this thread is inaccurate. My ownership experience of both below:

That's because you have the one with the powerful engine. I hear that the 200D's are real slugs.
 
Dear all,

still hunting for my second W123. I keep stumbling on a few 'late' 240D (W115) from 1975. I keep putting 1976 in the search engine, but some only go the nearest 10 years, so for this I put 1970.

Et Voila, sometimes I get W115's.

As a weekend runaround, a toy for the summer months, that will always be garaged, should I include cars other than from the W123 stable.?

And the vertical headlights are quite lovely!

cheers All!
Do you want a car that handles ( W115) , or a boat (W123) ?

That is basically the difference; I’ve had both when they were current models .

You can chuck a W115 sideways ; boot the tail out on a W114 , and roll a W123 trying the same thing .

Why does everyone want the bottom end diesel models ?

220/8 and 280E are the ones of choice .
 
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Bulkhead, inner wings, sills, door base, wings and around headlights - having restored one W114!
Everywhere there is metal basically ; and they were an improvement over the previous generation, W110/111
 
That's because you have the one with the powerful engine. I hear that the 200D's are real slugs.
Again , why , would anyone other than taxi drivers want a diesel when you could have a 280E ???

My late model 1975 280E with the 5 speed manual close ratio box was a flying machine in a straight line ( only car I had at the time which rivalled it was my sisters Saab 99 Turbo , but that had weak driveshafts which would give out if you booted it too much ) , but my 220/8 cornered like it was on rails , could be chucked sideways with alacrity , and always safely recovered : it was the perfect car for four wheel drifts ; and my Alfasud owning pal couldn’t keep up through the bends .
 
3 reasons why I prefer the 240D:

1) So easy to work on that even I could do it. And did it. Parts supply is the healthiest too.

2) 35-40 mpg

3) OM616.916 revs to 5400 rpm and is a great match for the W115 chassis, especially with a manual transmission. It doesn't feel as front heavy as the 6 cylinder W114s.

Someone pick this beauty up!

 
Again , why , would anyone other than taxi drivers want a diesel when you could have a 280E ???

The plan is to someday build one of these. I have two spare M110E engines, one mated to a 4 speed manual and the other to an automatic. I also have a 300SL-24 with a 5 speed getrag that I'm considering using as a donor. The fuel injected W114's are a blast. I bought my first one in London in 1993. I was 19 at the time and it was my first attempt at a restoration. I remember taking that car up to 115mph on the M4. Only slightly slower than the top speed of a 240D. If you drop it out of a helicopter from a very high distance :D
 
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The plan is to someday build one of these. I have two spare M110E engines, one mated to a 4 speed manual and the other to an automatic. I also have a 300SL-24 with a 5 speed getrag that I'm considering using as a donor. The fuel injected W114's are a blast. I bought my first one in London in 1993. I was 19 at the time and it was my first attempt at a restoration. I remember taking that car up to 115mph on the M4. Only slightly slower than the top speed of a 240D. If you drop it out of a helicopter from a very high distance :D
I had actually thought of it the other way round .

I have owned numerous cars with the M110 ( when I had my W114 I thought it the most wonderful engine ; later I thought it a noisy , thrashy thing ) ; after the W114 280E , I had W123 280E/CE/TE , a W116 280SE and a W126 280SE , so just about every variant apart from the R107 and G-Wagen .

I still think the W114/5 were among the best handling , but if I could , I’d like to have a W114 with the 300-24V M114 and the 5 speed manual box .

I think that would be nice .
 
I think we might be saying the same thing.
 
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