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W205 NOx Sensors Fail

Another treatise on NOx sensors here.
NOx Sensors
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As said before these are essentially two lambda sensors one after the other. You will see from the diagram that the first cell's function is to remove all oxygenated species from entering the second part of the unit other than NOx so it can be accurately measured
Now previously I had said these can be badly affected by excess water in the exhaust so the exhaust stream had to be up to temperature before they were switched on but perhaps that was innaccurate maybe instead of water I should have said " oxygenated species" which would have included ethanol! Ethanol in petrol at 5% levels is pretty much a given in 95 octane in most petrol blends now. [so called E5 fuel possibly to be E10 =10% ethanol shortly!] One of its less desirable properties is its deliquescent -it absorbs water when exposed to air--- [ this is already knocking out scores of carburettors in small petrol driven appliances since its introduction!] so there is scope perhaps to include ethanol containing fuel as a possible culprit for early NOx sensor demise? What about diesel you ask it doesn't contain ethanol??? True --- all I can suggest there is the prolonged engine and exhaust warmup time of diesel exhausts compared to petrol may be a factor in those compression ignition engines.
I know of others with 65 plate 220's where nox sensors have failed-maybe it's the add blue that affects the sensors or perhaps the original sensors sourced where poor quality(like the Delphi njectors that failed in the 220/250 cdi's around 2010?
 
.... What about diesel you ask it doesn't contain ethanol??? True --- all I can suggest there is the prolonged engine and exhaust warmup time of diesel exhausts compared to petrol may be a factor in those compression ignition engines.

Diesel can contain bio-diesel materials (FAME) from a variety of sources.
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/f737/0ec605d55ba41b04ebca55b16e15c98e06a7.pdf

These contain oxygenates and can have around 10% oxygen content. However as these are used as a blend component at say 5% (B5) or 10% (B10), the resulting oxygen content in the finished fuel comes out at about 0.5-1.0%

Frequent short journeys are a killer for exhaust aftertreatment systems and sensors.
 
Does anyone know if the replacement nox sensors are superior to the originals as both mine and my wife's E220 bluetec(both 65 plates) have had box sensors go thankfully under warranty.


We have replaced a few with the new part number now and so far so good...
 
We have replaced a few with the new part number now and so far so good...
That's reassuring,both our E classes had the nox sensors replaced under warranty in the last month,didn't realise how bigger problem theses had been in the 2015/ bluetec cars,are the replacement sensors from a different source to the originals/superior quality do you know?
 
That's reassuring,both our E classes had the nox sensors replaced under warranty in the last month,didn't realise how bigger problem theses had been in the 2015/ bluetec cars,are the replacement sensors from a different source to the originals/superior quality do you know?
I would suspect the new sensors are simply a development/modification of the originals- apparently they need some minor software recoding on installation also. They are manufactured by Continental/NGK or Bosch and Denso appear to have some under development.
Some details of various Bosch sensor technologies including NOx sensors here
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I would suspect the new sensors are simply a development/modification of the originals- apparently they need some minor software recoding on installation also. They are manufactured by Continental/NGK or Bosch and Denso appear to have some under development.
Some details of various Bosch sensor technologies including NOx sensors here
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Thanks Graeme,hopefully the new ones hold out.
 
That's reassuring,both our E classes had the nox sensors replaced under warranty in the last month,didn't realise how bigger problem theses had been in the 2015/ bluetec cars,are the replacement sensors from a different source to the originals/superior quality do you know?

In all honestly i don't know! I just order the parts!

Natacha
 
I own a 2015 W205 which is about 8 months out of warranty and had the dreaded EML appear a week ago. I borrowed a colleagues OBD reader to get the fault codes which related to the failure of two NOx sensors. I googled the fault and found this forum which was a result...this was a known fault, very common with the W205 and some owners had been getting the sensors (£500 a pop) replaced for free through MB. It just so happened I had my service booked in for today at my local MB dealership, when I dropped off the car I told them about the EML and the fault codes and they said it was pretty common. I suggested this should be replaced for free if it was a known fault and they said they would speak to me after they had looked at it. I got a call to pick up the car this afternoon and the chap said that they replaced both faulty sensors free of charge as MB would cover 100% of the cost as a gesture of good will. So my advice if you get this fault on you car is to speak to your local dealership and see if they can get this done for free. Thanks to the members on this forum and the advice.
 
NOx sensor failure (MWL) on my CLS 400 (W218) 2015 - dealer diagnosed and said that the tier 1 extended warranty will cover these, but have been waiting for just over 2 months now as the dealer says there is no stock in Germany and are on back order!
 
NOx sensor failure (MWL) on my CLS 400 (W218) 2015 - dealer diagnosed and said that the tier 1 extended warranty will cover these, but have been waiting for just over 2 months now as the dealer says there is no stock in Germany and are on back order!


CLS400 is that a petrol model?

If so interesting that these also suffer.
 
I am unfortunately in a similar position but have a question about the spare parts. I own a 64 plate C200 Sport Petrol.
The Mercedes part no. is A000 905 62 04 as identified directly from the car. The Continental part number is 5WK9 7249 but when searching around for the replacement part, the Mercedes part no. stays the same whilst the Continental can vary. Does anyone know which part or parts I should obtain and whether any kind of software update would have to be completed if it's not exactly the same because it's a newer part?
 
Long time, no visit. I’m here now because I have the dreaded 2201 and 2214 codes come up on my 2012 C350 PETROL. The car’s done just 30k. Interestingly, when I cancel the codes they can stay off for quite a while; whether a few short journeys or even yesterday when driving 100 miles to Heathrow. But on the way back from Heathrow the orange light came back on again.

I’ve had the car from new and always had it serviced at the MB dealership where I bought it, but with it being seven years old now I doubt that they’ll be too enthusiastic about replacing the sensors as a goodwill gesture. But I’ll still ask.

The question is, in the meantime will it do any harm to keep running the car? I’ve not noticed any change in performance or fuel consumption.
 
I own a 2015 W205 which is about 8 months out of warranty and had the dreaded EML appear a week ago. I borrowed a colleagues OBD reader to get the fault codes which related to the failure of two NOx sensors. I googled the fault and found this forum which was a result...this was a known fault, very common with the W205 and some owners had been getting the sensors (£500 a pop) replaced for free through MB. It just so happened I had my service booked in for today at my local MB dealership, when I dropped off the car I told them about the EML and the fault codes and they said it was pretty common. I suggested this should be replaced for free if it was a known fault and they said they would speak to me after they had looked at it. I got a call to pick up the car this afternoon and the chap said that they replaced both faulty sensors free of charge as MB would cover 100% of the cost as a gesture of good will. So my advice if you get this fault on you car is to speak to your local dealership and see if they can get this done for free. Thanks to the members on this forum and the advice.
I have just booked my 2017 250d premium plus in for July 1 2020 for engine management light on yesterday, hopefully if it’s the nox sensors they do them as a goodwill gesture as I’m 3 months out of warranty, Mercedes updated my software in March this year before warranty ran out and now a problem only done about 750 miles.
 
I have just booked my 2017 250d premium plus in for July 1 2020 for engine management light on yesterday, hopefully if it’s the nox sensors they do them as a goodwill gesture as I’m 3 months out of warranty, Mercedes updated my software in March this year before warranty ran out and now a problem only done about 750 miles.
Update,nox sensor failed, Mercedes will cover under there warranty as well known fault,car is out of warranty by 4 months .well pleased well done Mercedes .✅
I have just booked my 2017 250d premium plus in for July 1 2020 for engine management light on yesterday, hopefully if it’s the nox sensors they do them as a goodwill gesture as I’m 3 months out of warranty, Mercedes updated my software in March this year before warranty ran out and now a problem only done about 750 miles.
 
NOx sensor failure (MWL) on my CLS 400 (W218) 2015 - dealer diagnosed and said that the tier 1 extended warranty will cover these, but have been waiting for just over 2 months now as the dealer says there is no stock in Germany and are on back order!
I’m waiting GLC 250. Did 75 miles and light came on. Been waiting 2 months. Complained to MB and they said it’s not acceptable then silence. My question is will the car regen if EML is on and is driving with Nox error detrimental to the car.
 

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