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KillerHERTZ

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Someone I know is intrested in this classic.

We have contacted the owner, any comments?

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What are the main differences between an SL and a SLC?
 
KillerHERTZ said:
...What are the main differences between an SL and a SLC?
AFAIK the SLC has a fixed roof whereas the SL is a convertible with removable hardtop roof. The SLC's are much rarer than the equivalent SL's and so I think command a slightly higher price which is unusual to have a coupe with higher values than the relevant soft-top. Great cars I've always liked the SLC's.

Other than that I think the SL and SLC are pretty much identical.

S.
 
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that looks really good....

when do you get to the point you no longer need road tax?
 
fuzzer said:
that looks really good....

when do you get to the point you no longer need road tax?


Cars made before 1976, its not when I car becomes 25 years old
 
fuzzer said:
that looks really good....

when do you get to the point you no longer need road tax?

I think tax exemption applies to cars registered pre-1973
 
Im on the understanding that if the vehicle is over 25 years old then it becomes exempt from road tax.

Edit: nice car :cool:
 
pluggers said:
Im on the understanding that if the vehicle is over 25 years old then it becomes exempt from road tax.
Used to be true but it was capped to vehicles produced sometime in the 70s, see above...
 
yeah it's 1973, We can say this with certainty as Annies 1974 Dolomite missed out by one year.

The letter of the law is that the car must have been manufactured before Jan 1st 1973. If the car is registered after that date it's up to you to prove the date of manufacture.

Andy
 
The RAC site vehicle data check says 5 previous owners, last change 05 Dec 2004.
 
PJH said:
The RAC site vehicle data check says 5 previous owners.


I forgot about that, can you PM all the data please?
 
Looks like a nice car, although I was always under the impression that the SLC was a more 'unloved' model and didn't command as high a price as an equivalent SL?

One thing I would be careful with is the 'new paint job' - wouldn't want to end up with a car that has concealed rust/rot :(

Good luck,

Will
 
Yeah, according to ME mag they are and go for lots cheaper.
 
PJH said:
The RAC site vehicle data check says 5 previous owners, last change 05 Dec 2004.

it's possible the RAC site is wrong, eBay fills car auction data automatically when you type in the reg number

I'd be wary of the repsray and pay what you think it's worth - I think you should be aiming below 5k

Good luck

Andy
 
I remember watching either Driven or another car program ages ago where they helped a punter buy an SLC and I could have sworn they said the SLC's were sought after. :confused: Oh well, I'd trust ME mag views more than a proggie I saw ages ago :rolleyes:

S.
 
If the pics were taken at the sellers house, looks like he/she has more 70's Mercs + a Scooter very carefully arranged in the background.......

Am I missing something, or does it say Model Year 1979, but first registered in 1976 ? :confused:
 
Road Tax exemption is available to cars built before 1 January 1973. It was originally going to be a rolling 25 year age exemption, but immediately it was introduced, Labour got into government, and realised that would cost them too much, so they applied the fixed date.

The SLC is similar in looks to the SL. It's also a R107 series. It was launched in 1972 with a 14in longer wheelbase than the 1971 SL. This gives it proper rear seats. Around 30,000 were built, and it was dropped from the range in 1980. When new, it was £2,000 more than a V12 Jaguar XJ-S. Consumption for the 450SLC when pushed = low teens.

They are considered less desirable than the convertibles, and are consequently less valuable. A minter should cost you around £7,000 (comparable SL around £11 - 12k). They are ideal GTs, but can also be huslted around pretty effectively.

As to buying; the same applies to the SLC as to the SL. Leaks are common around the bonded-in windscreen, door seals, non-Mercedes replacement glass and around the rear lamps. Early cars can suffer structural rust in the sills around the jacking points and in the box sections in the bottom of the engine bay - particularly in ABS-equipped cars like this one (ABS was an option until 1986). Post-1976, rustproofing was pretty good. Most bodywork panels and repair sections are available. It's a good idea to replace valve stem seals at 75k (£400-odd). Regular (6,000mile) oil changes are really important. Check out the radiator, it may need recoring (£150). Auto gearboxes are very reliable, and rear axles are also unburstable, but may be noisy. Check for a 'clonk' when changing from forward to reverse. Any transmission vibration on power take-up is a tell-tail of worn propshaft couplings.

Power steering boxes start to wear at 80-90k, and are expensive to replace, although much of the slop can be adjusted out. Sloppiness here can also be caused by the subframe mountings. With these cars, the original wheels (which it has) and correct tyres (Michelins or Conti's - I don't know which) will make the car feel so much better than non-originals.

Electrical problems come from lack of use rather than heavy usage. Heater controls and steering column switches can fail. Generally, after-market alarms are not easy to fit, and the loom needs to be chopped about, so check this area carefully. If the speedo flickers at low speed, it could indicate the odometer has been clocked, so check condition of seats, pedal rubbers, steering wheel and so on (not so easily done in a 'restored' car).

If the central-locking is vacuum operated, make certain it works well. Leaks are a bugger to find. Also, the reservoir, under the front offside wing can fall off if the brackets corrode. Obviously, check everything works, including the aircon. Lack of use dries seal out, then the system leaks and you've got wet floors.

Is the interior leather? (He says it is, so it probably is) MB-Tex is pretty well indistinguishable from leather, and wears better, but is less desirable (bargaining point?)

One key shoud fit everything. Pretty well all trim parts are available, but not cheaply.

The photos in this ad are not the best, but it looks like a straight car. Check condition and quality of chromework. If it's been restored, the silver bits will have been re-done, and this is not always done well. Price is towards the top-end, but if you're after one of these, and all the above items are sorted, then this could be worth a punt.

Hope this helps.

PJ
 
SLCs are worth just over half of an equivalent SL. Lovely cars but quite unpopular. They are longer than the SL and have a much larger boot, more room in the rear seats (i.e usuable) and a large curved rear window being a coupe. The 450 is a very thirsty car - about 12-15mpg. Parts are readily available from breakers or eBay - though interior trim can be expensive. Main thing to look for is rust - if it has been fully restored then expect to see extensive photos. Very common for welding on sills, boot floor etc for these - though not quite as prone to leaking as the SL. Check under all of the carpets, wheel arches and ask about the plenum chamber as these block collect water. Timing chain needs to have been replaced at this age / mileage and check things like the diff, prop shaft coupling - manifold gaskets and studs as any work involving rusted studs can cost £££s. Maintenance budget around £1k a year.

You'd only buy it if you loved the look of them - they're not hugely practical - original tyres are about £180 each - this one isn't tax exempt (pre '73) and probably won't have had an unleaded conversion so alternate fills of LRP / leaded with unleaded etc.

Edit: Or just read the above post - didn't appear when I typed this for some reason!
 
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stats007 said:
...probably won't have had an unleaded conversion so alternate fills of LRP / leaded with unleaded etc.

It doesn't need a conversion. Even Pagodas had hardened valve seats. This will run fine on unleaded.

PJ
 
imadoofus said:
Road Tax exemption is available to cars built before 1 January 1973. It was originally going to be a rolling 25 year age exemption, but immediately it was introduced, Labour got into government, and realised that would cost them too much, so they applied the fixed date.

The SLC is similar in looks to the SL. It's also a R107 series. It was launched in 1972 with a 14in longer wheelbase than the 1971 SL. This gives it proper rear seats. Around 30,000 were built, and it was dropped from the range in 1980. When new, it was £2,000 more than a V12 Jaguar XJ-S. Consumption for the 450SLC when pushed = low teens.

They are considered less desirable than the convertibles, and are consequently less valuable. A minter should cost you around £7,000 (comparable SL around £11 - 12k). They are ideal GTs, but can also be huslted around pretty effectively.

As to buying; the same applies to the SLC as to the SL. Leaks are common around the bonded-in windscreen, door seals, non-Mercedes replacement glass and around the rear lamps. Early cars can suffer structural rust in the sills around the jacking points and in the box sections in the bottom of the engine bay - particularly in ABS-equipped cars like this one (ABS was an option until 1986). Post-1976, rustproofing was pretty good. Most bodywork panels and repair sections are available. It's a good idea to replace valve stem seals at 75k (£400-odd). Regular (6,000mile) oil changes are really important. Check out the radiator, it may need recoring (£150). Auto gearboxes are very reliable, and rear axles are also unburstable, but may be noisy. Check for a 'clonk' when changing from forward to reverse. Any transmission vibration on power take-up is a tell-tail of worn propshaft couplings.

Power steering boxes start to wear at 80-90k, and are expensive to replace, although much of the slop can be adjusted out. Sloppiness here can also be caused by the subframe mountings. With these cars, the original wheels (which it has) and correct tyres (Michelins or Conti's - I don't know which) will make the car feel so much better than non-originals.

Electrical problems come from lack of use rather than heavy usage. Heater controls and steering column switches can fail. Generally, after-market alarms are not easy to fit, and the loom needs to be chopped about, so check this area carefully. If the speedo flickers at low speed, it could indicate the odometer has been clocked, so check condition of seats, pedal rubbers, steering wheel and so on (not so easily done in a 'restored' car).

If the central-locking is vacuum operated, make certain it works well. Leaks are a bugger to find. Also, the reservoir, under the front offside wing can fall off if the brackets corrode. Obviously, check everything works, including the aircon. Lack of use dries seal out, then the system leaks and you've got wet floors.

Is the interior leather? (He says it is, so it probably is) MB-Tex is pretty well indistinguishable from leather, and wears better, but is less desirable (bargaining point?)

One key shoud fit everything. Pretty well all trim parts are available, but not cheaply.

The photos in this ad are not the best, but it looks like a straight car. Check condition and quality of chromework. If it's been restored, the silver bits will have been re-done, and this is not always done well. Price is towards the top-end, but if you're after one of these, and all the above items are sorted, then this could be worth a punt.

Hope this helps.

PJ


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