Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

[markjay]

I’m starting to feel this discussion is becoming ever more pointless, what with the comfortable metro-centrics suggesting unnecessary car use/ownership should be discouraged, as people “think” a car is a necessity. To be fair, it is admitted that certain essential workers can be allowed cars.

The more realistic view is that most people do not live within walking or cycling distance of their work or a shop.

I know @Bellow lives in a “remote” area where car ownership is essential. I too live in a rural area where the General Hospital, M&S, Tesco, B&Q, and the train terminus for Edinburgh are all within a 7 – 10 minute drive. Public transport to each of these delights is a minimum of an hourly service and journey times vary from 30 – 45 minutes. (after a 10 minute walk) I’m lucky!

Indulge me: there are many southern members who I suspect are not au fait with UK geography.

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Here is Greater London and the commuter belt. Did you know that more people live here than all of Scotland, Wales, and N.Ireland put together? To a great extent, what happens in London is of little interest and no relevance to my life in the “sticks”

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Here is my stamping ground – to the same scale. Some of you may have vaguely heard of Biggar and Moffat to the west, Hawick and Jedburgh to the south, Kelso and Berwick-upon-Tweed to the east and the outer environs of Edinburgh to the north. Even England features to the south-east!

All within easy reach in my electric car when I invest £50k+ in one…

If we applied restricted use of private vehicles only to those living and working in large cities, my guess is that we will be affecting about half of all car owners. Which will be a massive change, without impacting on those not living and working in city centres.

I am getting a sense here that people living outside of city centres do not trust any proposal for reducing car use, because it might have a detrimental impact on them. Personally I think they should support proposals for restricted private car use for city dwellers, and not object to proposed restrictions for fear that they may get impacted themselves. These cars are spreading toxic exhaust gasses in densely populated areas. We can certainly restrict some people from using their cars freely while allowing other to do so.

 

[flowrider]

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[Bellow]

If we applied restricted use of private vehicles only to those living and working in large cities, my guess is that we will be affecting about half of all car owners. Which will be a massive change, without impacting on those not living and working in city centres.

I am getting a sense here that people living outside of city centres do not trust any proposal for reducing car use, because it might have a detrimental impact on them. Personally I think they should support proposals for restricted private car use for city dwellers, and not object to proposed restrictions for fear that they may get impacted themselves. These cars are spreading toxic exhaust gasses in densely populated areas. We can certainly restrict some people from using their cars freely while allowing other to do so.

Not only self interest though the thought of having to 'make my case' for continued car use on whatever criteria and possibly be granted it while my next door neighbour (if I had one) may not as they were inside the demarcation limit or failed on some other criterion by the narrowest of margin is chilling. But that's not how it's going to be, it will be the continuing trend of pricing city dwellers out of car use. But what has not been considered is what will happen when said city dwellers find it intolerable and move out. Clean air is nice - fully staffed hospitals even nicer.

 

[del320]

If we applied restricted use of private vehicles only to those living and working in large cities, my guess is that we will be affecting about half of all car owners. Which will be a massive change, without impacting on those not living and working in city centres.

Absolutely impossible to implement. What? Draw a line down a suburban road? Drive this side, walk the other...

Not only self interest though the thought of having to 'make my case' for continued car use on whatever criteria and possibly be granted it while my next door neighbour (if I had one) may not as they were inside the demarcation limit or failed on some other criterion by the narrowest of margin is chilling. But that's not how it's going to be, it will be the continuing trend of pricing city dwellers out of car use. But what has not been considered is what will happen when said city dwellers find it intolerable and move out. Clean air is nice - fully staffed hospitals even nicer.

Worry not - 10 million Londoners are not going to decant to the countryside

 

[ChipChop]

 

[Deleted member 126251]

Unless of course you scrap your old car to buy a new one, even though it's working fine and most of the emissions are in manufacture. At least no government is stupid enough to implement a daft policy like that.....

According to the article, new cars (including their manufacture) are less polluting than old cars.

 

[Swotty]

Are those figures correct? I never knew that

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The Quora site says "sorry, too busy".

If you look at Climate Change narratives, they deflect this by talking about the rise of man-made CO2. That is another argument entirely.

Man-made CO2 is less than 5%, From memory, I believe that natural phenomena such as volcanoes are significant contributors.

 

[markjay]

Absolutely impossible to implement. What? Draw a line down a suburban road? Drive this side, walk the other...

It can certainly work, just like the Residents Parking Permit system works.

I submit proof of my residence online, and based on my location and type of vehicle, I am told how much I have to pay for my Residents Parking Permit.

Why not do the same for VED? If you live in the countryside, you're VED is zero. If you live in a small town, it's X. In city centres, it's Y. Going up the scale.

And if you are disabled, or front line NHS staff working shifts, etc, you get an exemption.

Can't get fairer than that?

 

[Dippo]

If you grant an exemption to front line NHS staff, maybe you should also consider the other emergency services. Looking at people needed during the pandemic, maybe add supermarket staff, bin men, transport workers etc. Then what about teachers, delivery drivers etc . . . . .

 

[Fastcar155]

Hi , I must admit I do have a range issue.

I had the pleasure of using an EV for a couple of months but charging the car was a nightmare.

Great car shame about the recharge ( I live in a flat so the charging point would be real easy for my spot but my a real pain in the a"s" for the others in my block)

 

[markjay]

Hi , I must admit I do have a range issue.

I had the pleasure of using an EV for a couple of months but charging the car was a nightmare.

Great car shame about the recharge ( I live in a flat so the charging point would be real easy for my spot but my a real pain in the a"s" for the others in my block)

So you have a private parking spot outside the block of flats, but the landlord (or the other leaseholders) won't let you install a charger there? Is that it?

 

[Diesel Benz]

The buses that I see around here look awful, usually only occupied by one sad looking old lady and absolutely filthy.

I can't imagine a transport scenario I less want to put myself into.

Yes, it is well known that those old ladies spoil buses inside out.

 

[Rich764089]

According to the article, new cars (including their manufacture) are less polluting than old cars.

Sure. But scrapping a perfectly good car to buy a less polluting one still doesn't make environmental sense. That was my point.

 

[Deleted member 159894]

Yes, it is well known that those old ladies spoil buses inside out.

Sorry, didn’t mean to offend you and your Mrs.

 

[TimHall]

My strategy? To own as many large displacement cars as I can until they are finally taxed and legislated off the roads. Will I burn in Greta Thunberg’s hell? Yes, probably

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

We’ve used them on and off. However, my wife got Covid last Saturday and had to order a delivery from Asda. The amount of errors and omissions they made was shocking. 2 steaks instead of 4 for starters, great we’ll just cut them in half!

They were thinking of your waist line. Nobody needs four steaks, especially as a a starter. What on Earth was the main, a Deaperate Dan pie??!!

I hope Mra @Dickster is feeling much better very soon.

 

[Wolfie1]

Perhaps this is one electric vehicle that we might have more chance of reaching a consensus on. If there is a prime example of a waste of council tax payer money then this is it. There should be evidence enough from the way they are being ridden that they will never be allowed on public roads and they are a danger to others on pavements. Proper electric bicycles yes, proper electric motorcycle type scooters all legal and insured, yes but these toy scooters no. A hair brain scheme that was never going to be a realistic large scale substitute for real transport especially in out climate.

Both my wife and i have 1 of these e scooters (proper off road ones) and they are brilliant, we bought them as a toy to take away in the caravan with us for a day out on forest tracks and the like, now i have used mine to travel to work before and even though they are slower than a car i can still get to work quicker and they have green credentials too, can be charged in the house for pennies and no congestion with them, i really think they are the future and dont understand the laws against them (i personally think once the government works out a way to put a tax on them they will be deemed safe) but electric bikes are allowed! Now you talk about them being “a danger to others” same can be said for push bikes, ebikes, cars, busses, trucks, mobility scooters, dogs, cats, lamp posts, kerbs, steps, dog poop on the pavement, you get the idea, escooters are no more dangerous its the folk riding them irresponsibility thats the issue as with anything else, we always wear helmets, always slow right down when going past other folks and are always patient with other folks, how many times have you been on a walk and almost been taken out by a crazed cyclist, like us quite a few times i would imagine, but its not the push bike thats at fault is it?

 

[Dickster]

Both my wife and i have 1 of these e scooters (proper off road ones) and they are brilliant, we bought them as a toy to take away in the caravan with us for a day out on forest tracks and the like, now i have used mine to travel to work before and even though they are slower than a car i can still get to work quicker and they have green credentials too, can be charged in the house for pennies and no congestion with them, i really think they are the future and dont understand the laws against them (i personally think once the government works out a way to put a tax on them they will be deemed safe) but electric bikes are allowed! Now you talk about them being “a danger to others” same can be said for push bikes, ebikes, cars, busses, trucks, mobility scooters, dogs, cats, lamp posts, kerbs, steps, dog poop on the pavement, you get the idea, escooters are no more dangerous its the folk riding them irresponsibility thats the issue as with anything else, we always wear helmets, always slow right down when going past other folks and are always patient with other folks, how many times have you been on a walk and almost been taken out by a crazed cyclist, like us quite a few times i would imagine, but its not the push bike thats at fault is it?

I agree. London is full of cyclists (which is great) but half of them go through red lights and the wrong way up one way streets..

 

[Darrell]

I agree. London is full of cyclists (which is great) but half of them go through red lights and the wrong way up one way streets..

Do they? ().

 

[Darrell]

Both my wife and i have 1 of these e scooters (proper off road ones) and they are brilliant, we bought them as a toy to take away in the caravan with us for a day out on forest tracks and the like, now i have used mine to travel to work before and even though they are slower than a car i can still get to work quicker and they have green credentials too, can be charged in the house for pennies and no congestion with them, i really think they are the future and dont understand the laws against them (i personally think once the government works out a way to put a tax on them they will be deemed safe) but electric bikes are allowed! Now you talk about them being “a danger to others” same can be said for push bikes, ebikes, cars, busses, trucks, mobility scooters, dogs, cats, lamp posts, kerbs, steps, dog poop on the pavement, you get the idea, escooters are no more dangerous its the folk riding them irresponsibility thats the issue as with anything else, we always wear helmets, always slow right down when going past other folks and are always patient with other folks, how many times have you been on a walk and almost been taken out by a crazed cyclist, like us quite a few times i would imagine, but its not the push bike thats at fault is it?

Which ones do you have?