Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

[Rich764089]

I fully accept that you do need car. But, as I keep saying.... many don't. No point in encouraging everyone to have a car just because some people need them. Those who need them, should have them. Those who don't, shouldn't. Personal opinion.

Fair enough. Is the reason you think people shouldn't have them for environmental reasons.
Does it also follow that you think people shouldn't watch TV as that's not essential but pollutes.
What about the "necessity" of drinking bottled water, or eating imported foods... the old favourite being the avocado

 

[Tonye]

I fully accept that you do need car.

I do, and we have two. I have mine for the hols because I want it not because we need it, our choice, our car. We have neighbours with EVs, they all love the SL and wish.

 

[ChipChop]

I am tempted to get a new vehicle and keep it for another 7-10 years. However, regulation for 2030 makes me think twice:

1. A big tax for ICE vehicles will surely show up
2. The cars will be worthless unless a classic
3. Current electric vehicles and charging stations suck / innefficient
4. Performance Hybrids are almost non existent

Thoughts?

 

[Deleted member 159894]

And this is pretty much the exact opposite of my life I can walk 2 miles to get the one bus a day, but it doesn't go anywhere I need to go and takes hours to get there. I can walk to the train station if I have a few hours to kill and don't mind v taking my life in my hands on busy road with no footpaths. Public transport to work would take half a day or more; under an hour in a car. Same is true for visiting family and friends.

No shops within walking distance. I do have a pub i can walk to though

The buses that I see around here look awful, usually only occupied by one sad looking old lady and absolutely filthy.

I can't imagine a transport scenario I less want to put myself into.

 

[Bellow]

I fully accept that you do need car. But, as I keep saying.... many don't. No point in encouraging everyone to have a car just because some people need them. Those who need them, should have them. Those who don't, shouldn't. Personal opinion.

No one who doesn't need a car is being encouraged to have one. It is those who need a car being told they don't need one that is the issue. Sanctimony is no substitute for persuasion.

 

[Tonye]

What I don't understand is why the UK is trying to save the planet and everyone on it single handedly.
Open your eyes folks, nobody gives a toss.
The UK is being used as a testing ground by the people with money hedging there bets.

 

[Rich764089]

What I don't understand is why the UK is trying to save the planet and everyone on it single handedly.
Open your eyes folks, nobody gives a toss.
The UK is being used as a testing ground by the people with money hedging there bets.

Yep 1% of global emissions TOTAL! If we stopped using ALL power, not just the relatively small amount used in cars, it would still have little effect globally in my opinion.
UK is a soft/ easy target. If activists were serious they'd be out chaining themselves to the building works of new coal power stations in China and South Asia; or blockading logging routes in primary rain forest in Brazil, Indonesia and west Africa; or sabotaging the mining of semi precious elements that causes huge environmental damage.
I wonder why they don't.

 

[Tonye]

If activists were serious

There not, there mainly out of work sheep with no mind of there own to do the sums

wonder why they don't.

Don't give a toss eather really. They prefer a local day out.

 

[Tonye]

Yep 1% of global emissions TOTAL!

Fhew, glad it's not just me that thinks straight, though I was in a dream

 

[Bellow]

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I wondered why the opportunity to ban horses from the road wasn't taken with the recent revision of the Highway Code. Now I see the vision.



The reality however looks more like this.

 

[Rich764089]

Fhew, glad it's not just me that thinks straight, though I was in a dream

I come across as anti environmentalism. I'm not, I'm just pragmatic/realistic. I actually used to campaign actively, particularly against deforestation, and started recycling schemes before councils could be ****d.

My guilty pleasure is cars, otherwise I'm environmentally sound I imagine my footprint is well below average and I'm a good way to self sufficiency in food.

 

[Tonye]

I'm just pragmatic/realistic. I

Snap

 

[markjay]

What I don't understand is why the UK is trying to save the planet and everyone on it single handedly.
Open your eyes folks, nobody gives a toss.
The UK is being used as a testing ground by the people with money hedging there bets.

I agree that the environmental argument in favour of EVs is a red herring.

But what about banning private non-zero-exhaust-emissions vehicles from city centres - surely that's a good thing, no?

 

[markjay]

No one who doesn't need a car is being encouraged to have one....

Hmm... that's not my experience.

I was offered some very substantial financial incentives to have an EV. So I got one. And no, I am not an idealist, and do not insist on paying all those taxes that the government decided I don't need to pay. Though why I am exempt from these taxes is still beyond me.

As an example, at current I can drive my EV into Central London, not pay the £15 Congestion Charge, then not pay £20 for 4 hours street parking. The total journey cost me just 40p(!), for the first 10 minutes of street parking.

If this is not an encouragement to have a car and drive it into Central London over all other modes of transport, then I don't know what is.

 

[Tonye]

But what about banning private non-zero-exhaust-emissions vehicles from city centres - surely that's a good thing, no?

Maybe 6am till 7pm, if i want to go out into Mankchester for the night with friends it's not worth the hassle getting there and home again so people won't go and the bars and clubs lose out. Who wants to get the last train at 11:30.
4 of us used to go regularly taking turns with the driving, total fuel cost £10, total train and taxi to and from station £40 and in bed for 12, not a chance. This is the reality of car freedom.

 

[markjay]

Performance Hybrids are almost non existent

I can understand that Hybrid were a stop-gap technology while batteries had very limited range.

But would anyone buy a Hybrid now, is beyond me. Why drive a car that has TWO systems of propulsion? It's more expensive to make, and more complicated to maintain.

Perhaps in the past, people did not want to commit to pure-EV tech because of distrust in the availability of chargers. But these days you can tell in advance where the chargers are, and whether you can use an EV or not.

 

[markjay]

Maybe 6am till 7pm, if i want to go out into Mankchester for the night with friends it's not worth the hassle getting there and home again so people won't go and the bars and clubs lose out. Who wants to get the last train at 11:30.
4 of us used to go regularly taking turns with the driving, total fuel cost £10, total train and taxi to and from station £40 and in bed for 12, not a chance. This is the reality of car freedom.

And not a thought to spare for those who live or work in the area and are forced to breathe the toxic exhaust fumes and end-up with series illness or even premature death?

 

[markjay]

I agree that the environmental argument in favour of EVs is a red herring.

But what about banning private non-zero-exhaust-emissions vehicles from city centres - surely that's a good thing, no?

Maybe 6am till 7pm, if i want to go out into Mankchester for the night with friends it's not worth the hassle getting there and home again so people won't go and the bars and clubs lose out. Who wants to get the last train at 11:30.
4 of us used to go regularly taking turns with the driving, total fuel cost £10, total train and taxi to and from station £40 and in bed for 12, not a chance. This is the reality of car freedom.

And not a thought to spare for those who live or work in the area and are forced to breathe the toxic exhaust fumes and end-up with series illness or even premature death?

 

[Dickster]

Fhew, glad it's not just me that thinks straight, though I was in a dream

Yeah, and cars are a fraction of the 1%, so it’s a no brainer - every little helps!

 

[190]

shared electric scooters schemes

Perhaps this is one electric vehicle that we might have more chance of reaching a consensus on. If there is a prime example of a waste of council tax payer money then this is it. There should be evidence enough from the way they are being ridden that they will never be allowed on public roads and they are a danger to others on pavements. Proper electric bicycles yes, proper electric motorcycle type scooters all legal and insured, yes but these toy scooters no. A hair brain scheme that was never going to be a realistic large scale substitute for real transport especially in out climate.