Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

[Dickster]

We’re pretty much getting there where we live in north west London. I’ve got a company work van which will be going soon due to a new job back up in central London and my Porsche hasn’t been on the road this year.

Our food shopping gets delivered.
I will soon return to cycling to work, the gym, the shops for a 4 pack.
Daughter gets the tube to college.
I get the train to visit my siblings.
Walk to and from the pub.
My wife works 3 miles away so she’ll get an Uber or use a company car.

Public transport where we live is very good. We have loads of buses, the Northern Line and Thameslink can get me into Kings Cross in 18 minutes.

In all honesty I’ve been meaning to buy a cheap ‘runabout’ for a while now but haven’t really bothered.

Most people don’t live that close to their workplace, school etc. and we’ve tried home deliveries for groceries - they’re crap.

 

[Dickster]

Perhaps this is one electric vehicle that we might have more chance of reaching a consensus on. If there is a prime example of a waste of council tax payer money then this is it. There should be evidence enough from the way they are being ridden that they will never be allowed on public roads and they are a danger to others on pavements. Proper electric bicycles yes, proper electric motorcycle type scooters all legal and insured, yes but these toy scooters no. A hair brain scheme that was never going to be a realistic large scale substitute for real transport especially in out climate.

I don’t think so!

I work in London and have been impressed with the uptake of the Boris bike and electric scooters. I would be surprised if they were abandoned.

Any form of transport like that, that gets us out of a car has to be good.

 

[Dickster]

The buses that I see around here look awful, usually only occupied by one sad looking old lady and absolutely filthy.

I can't imagine a transport scenario I less want to put myself into.

I agree. I don’t know the answer but there has to be a more efficient way to move people.

 

[Darrell]

and we’ve tried home deliveries for groceries - they’re crap.

I don’t think we’ve ever had a problem in the 3 years that we’ve been having our weekly shop delivered.

 

[Dickster]

I don’t think we’ve ever had a problem in the 3 years that we’ve been having our weekly shop delivered.

We’ve used them on and off. However, my wife got Covid last Saturday and had to order a delivery from Asda. The amount of errors and omissions they made was shocking. 2 steaks instead of 4 for starters, great we’ll just cut them in half!

 

[Swotty]

Yep 1% of global emissions TOTAL! If we stopped using ALL power, not just the relatively small amount used in cars, it would still have little effect globally in my opinion.
UK is a soft/ easy target. If activists were serious they'd be out chaining themselves to the building works of new coal power stations in China and South Asia; or blockading logging routes in primary rain forest in Brazil, Indonesia and west Africa; or sabotaging the mining of semi precious elements that causes huge environmental damage.
I wonder why they don't.

Yes, and it's 1% of less than 5% of all man-made CO2. 95% is nature.

So that's 0.05% of all CO2 down to the polluting UK. Going back to the stone all won't amount to a hill of beans in global CO2 terms.

Will make a few people very, very rich, though.

 

[del320]

I work in London and have been impressed with the uptake of the Boris bike and electric scooters. I would be surprised if they were abandoned.

Any form of transport like that, that gets us out of a car has to be good.

So why did I see some boy on the telly last night sawing up electric scooters?

 

[Tonye]

And not a thought to spare for those who live or work in the are

Though i did, 6am till 7pm ban is ok with me

 

[markjay]

Though i did, 6am till 7pm ban is ok with me

For industrial estates, possibly, and only if you can get there without driving through residential neighbourhoods.

 

[Bellow]

Hmm... that's not my experience.

I was offered some very substantial financial incentives to have an EV. So I got one. And no, I am not an idealist, and do not insist on paying all those taxes that the government decided I don't need to pay. Though why I am exempt from these taxes is still beyond me.

As an example, at current I can drive my EV into Central London, not pay the £15 Congestion Charge, then not pay £20 for 4 hours street parking. The total journey cost me just 40p(!), for the first 10 minutes of street parking.

If this is not an encouragement to have a car and drive it into Central London over all other modes of transport, then I don't know what is.

That's kinda where my thinking led me also.
Given that people are showing SFA interest in doing the no cost stuff like quitting flying, changing diet, reducing internet streaming, etc, etc, have objections to EVs based on high cost, lack of infrastructure, etc, etc, and ultimately if the government wants ICE cars banished it will have to resort to some pretty heavy handed legislation which may be impossible to be elected with with that as a mandate - is the only achievement the subsidising of cars for business and wealthy owners who, as often as not are domestically situated outwith cities where home charging is more feasible so contributing not one jot to cleaner inner-city air?

Further, the watching developing world is seeing the developed world renege on its commitment to globally share Covid vaccines, assuming that that is a dress-rehearsal for cooperation on combating climate change and not seeing any reason to believe anything it does is going to be supported. Without the entire world making the required changes - yes, the developed world will have to assist the developing world, and yes, the citizens of the developed world will have to make changes at the personal level (but exhibit zero appetite for them) - then the whole project will come to nothing. Except business and the wealthy scored some pricey cars at a discount - paid for by those who will end up on the bus.

 

[Tonye]

For industrial estates,

How do i get my truck in then

 

[Dickster]

Yes, and it's 1% of less than 5% of all man-made CO2. 95% is nature.

So that's 0.05% of all CO2 down to the polluting UK. Going back to the stone all won't amount to a hill of beans in global CO2 terms.

Will make a few people very, very rich, though.

Are those figures correct? I never knew that

 

[Dickster]

So why did I see some boy on the telly last night sawing up electric scooters?

No idea

 

[Tonye]

Back in January 2020 i found 4 lovely new Scania Wagons on our yard, nice prezzie from the gaffer for us lads. All the old 12 year old ones went off to some very great full lads in Africa, they will run them for ever. We could have got another 8 year's out of them. Now due to new regs coming in soon in Mankchester we have to pay for the privilege of going in and the cost will be passed on to the customer. Good luck to the lads in Africa, but what a load of cost for our customers. All to save 0.05%, FFS

 

[Tonye]

Well it's nearly 3pm, Christmas starts for me soon, a good blast down the M61, M60 and on to the M66 will get me to the sprogs in a flash, or 2 hours on the buses. All the best to you all, Merry Christmas, catch you on the other side.

 

[190]

I don’t think so!

I work in London and have been impressed with the uptake of the Boris bike and electric scooters. I would be surprised if they were abandoned.

Any form of transport like that, that gets us out of a car has to be good.

I don't have a problem with bikes but toy scooters are unsafe on the roads and dangerous to pedestrians on the pavements. I will be very surprised if they are ever made legal on public roads.

So why did I see some boy on the telly last night sawing up electric scooters?

They were privately owned scooters confiscated after the owner had been caught riding illegally on the road.
Having the trial schemes legally in some cities was guaranteed to lead to illegal use elsewhere.

 

[ToeKnee]

Very few people up the food chain seem to mention the really big elephant in the room, and that is over population! No matter what we do to try and slow climate change, until the population is brought under control then it's only going to get worse and worse.
I've done my bit by having no children, and subsequently, my carbon footprint dies with me and is not followed on by successive generations.

 

[Dippo]

2 steaks instead of 4 for starters, great we’ll just cut them in half!

Steak for starters? Decadence!

 

[davymead]

At the moment, people think a car is a necessity. Things will change. Things are changing. This thread has given an interesting cross-section of opinions, and having followed these types of arguments for several years now, I can see that opinion is slowly changing overall.

I genuinely don’t see much change.

 

[del320]

I’m starting to feel this discussion is becoming ever more pointless, what with the comfortable metro-centrics suggesting unnecessary car use/ownership should be discouraged, as people “think” a car is a necessity. To be fair, it is admitted that certain essential workers can be allowed cars.

The more realistic view is that most people do not live within walking or cycling distance of their work or a shop.

I know @Bellow lives in a “remote” area where car ownership is essential. I too live in a rural area where the General Hospital, M&S, Tesco, B&Q, and the train terminus for Edinburgh are all within a 7 – 10 minute drive. Public transport to each of these delights is a minimum of an hourly service and journey times vary from 30 – 45 minutes. (after a 10 minute walk) I’m lucky!

Indulge me: there are many southern members who I suspect are not au fait with UK geography.


Here is Greater London and the commuter belt. Did you know that more people live here than all of Scotland, Wales, and N.Ireland put together? To a great extent, what happens in London is of little interest and no relevance to my life in the “sticks”


Here is my stamping ground – to the same scale. Some of you may have vaguely heard of Biggar and Moffat to the west, Hawick and Jedburgh to the south, Kelso and Berwick-upon-Tweed to the east and the outer environs of Edinburgh to the north. Even England features to the south-east!

All within easy reach in my electric car when I invest £50k+ in one…