Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

[Deleted member 159894]

Neither have I but these new boxes will limit the car to the speed limit for the road travelled (using GPS, no I don't see how this can be accurate in all situations..) , not just the top speed.

Our Volvo already has this, works via road signs though I think, I have used it with the limiter, was a bit surprising how fast you can go when passing a foreign lorry with 100KPM stickers on the back.

 

[Tonye]

Convertibles are stupid. (SWMBO ignores me on this)

And quite rightly so

 

[Tonye]

Pub o'clock, catch up with you all later

 

[Deleted member 126251]

I would.............. I dont need to know you are a vegan within 30 seconds of meeting you.

That applies to all the virtue signallers. They cannot help themselves. Happens a lot these days with drivers of EV / hybrid cars coming down on ICE owners.

 

[Deleted member 126251]

Imagine doing the same in an EV. No exhaust fumes, no unnecessary noise,making you few even closer to the world around you. Who cares about ICE.

You are going to be sucking in all the fumes from the ICE vehicles...... Me - I love the sound of my car’s exhaust and engine noise is not noticeable - it is road / lorries/ other cars noise that will affect you EV or ICE..........

 

[Darrell]

Not mine, the bosses, she loves it , i just service it.
2003 X Type 2ltr petrol auto.
Mint condition 145k on it.
Why would I want to replace it with an EV euro box that would cost us at least 40 times the worth of the Jaaaaag

We had a 2002 S Type. Why do you bang on so much about your bosses car? And if it’s the bosses car why doesn’t she get it serviced herself?

 

[markjay]

And if it’s the bosses car why doesn’t she get it serviced herself?

Is this mutiny or high treason...? Not sure which is worse........ walking the plank, or the Tower?

 

[Darrell]

Is this mutiny or high treason...? Not sure which is worse........ walking the plank, or the Tower?

I haven’t the foggiest idea what you’re on about.

 

[markjay]

I haven’t the foggiest idea what you’re on about.

Wasn't he referring to SWMBO?

 

[Darrell]

Wasn't he referring to SWMBO?

What the hell is a SWMBO??

 

[whitenemesis]

What the hell is a SWMBO??

She Who Must Be Obeyed (aka the wife)

 

[Darrell]

She Who Must Be Obeyed (aka the wife)

Oh Jesus. And I suppose that when that bloke refers to The Boss it’s not the boring geezer that was on this forum a few years ago?? He had the W124 cabrio.

 

[Deleted member 159894]

Oh Jesus. And I suppose that when that bloke refers to The Boss it’s not the boring geezer that was on this forum a few years ago?? He had the W124 cabrio.

The stalking!

That was ACE.

 

[whitenemesis]

That was ACE.

Adverse Childhood Experiences?

 

[DrNick]

I expect there to be a mix going forward. Battery electric for cars predominantly and fuel cell electric (hydrogen) for larger vehicles. Although not exclusively.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

I expect there to be a mix going forward. Battery electric for cars predominantly and fuel cell electric (hydrogen) for larger vehicles. Although not exclusively.

Yes, things will be different in two decades time.

It remains to be seen whether we’ll still have 35 million personally owned vehicles on the road. Millennials don’t seem that bothered.

Will our love of City life and global travel continue, post pandemic and post Web 3.0 ? Who knows? Just two decades ago very few were forecasting how Web 2.0 was about to transform society, wealth and ecology.

 

[Mactech]

Yes, things will be different in two decades time.

It remains to be seen whether we’ll still have 35 million personally owned vehicles on the road. Millennials don’t seem that bothered.

Will our love of City life

They certainly will, and one thing we can not avoid is that we also will be much older.
I remember when running 24 hour motor races there was a point where you stopped planing ahead in terms of fuel usage and stints to go and started calculating back from the end point.
Retirement has had a similar effect on my outlook on life.
Yes, of course there are always younger people with their whole lives ahead of them, but I'm prepared to sit back and watch the situation unfold a little more before making a jump from anything other than a mild hybrid.
I certainly never have had a love of city life, never lived anywhere with mains gas, so I know I'm out of step with the majority.
I guess it will continue that way for me.

 

[tylerdurden]

So what will happen to the petrol station industry?

If in 2030 it’s all EV, there will be less petrol needed.

We are always told they sell fuel at almost no profit. If true, surely it will be uneconomic to have so many forecourts countrywide. Once numbers of forecourts starts falling it won’t be long before an ICE will become a real PITA.

Most EV users will charge from home. Cheaper and full tank every morning.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Most EV users will charge from home. Cheaper and full tank every morning.

Yes, I have a double garage and space for four cars on my drive. Doesn’t everyone?

But on a 2500 mile trip to the South of France, I would only halve the cost of fuel by being electric and charging up at service areas EIGHT times on the route to the Riviera, and EIGHT times on the route back.

In the short term such a trip is also bedevilled by a need for multiple charging accounts, problematic protocols, and out of order chargers.

But agreed, like my 1gb fibreoptic home internet and iPhone 13 pro on 5G, EV’s are the way to go. However it’s a mistake to think that everyone’s anywhere near that stage yet, or even has an appetite and the finances to get there.

Or that we’ll even still end up with 35 million personally owned EV’s on the road, replacing ICE with EV.

 

[markjay]

So what will happen to the petrol station industry?

If in 2030 it’s all EV, there will be less petrol needed.

No doubt, as there are less ICE cars on the roads, there will be less petrol stations to serve them, and motorists may need to travel farther afield to find one. Prices will also go up (aside from any taxation) due to the lower margins of running an operation at lower capacity.

That said, the process will likely be gradual and stretch well beyond 2030 (even assuming that the government will stick with this date). I estimate that it will be around 2040-2045 before ICE cars become a rare sight on our roads.

Another thing to consider is that the LGV and HGV industry is lagging behind badly in terms of zero-exhaust-emissions vehicles, and we will need to be able to continue and supply fuel for the haulage industry and at reasonable prices for some time to come.

The practical challenge for private ICE car drivers over the next 15-20 years won't be finding fuel, but meeting the ever increasing costs (due to taxation) of running a non-zero-exhaust-emissions vehicle.