Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

[del320]

I saw two farming brothers retire and sell two farms (£ seven figure sum) and the first thing they did with the money was buy land some 60 miles from where they'd farmed precisely to obtain the setaside subsidies. Old habits die hard...

The farms' new owner also ran a business where it would cost him to dispose of (non agricultural) waste. What a convenience to have farm land to bury it in.

They are all the same... The stories I could tell...

The biggest thing one of my poor farming relatives bleats about is the decline of cash transactions.

 

[markjay]

Hmm that's interesting. Our garden soil is quite sandy but my carrots come out all deformed. To the extent they're not really useful other than as weird curios.

Don't they taste the same....? Or were you planning on selling them?

 

[Dryce]

To the extent they're not really useful other than as weird curios.

Where is Esther Rantzen and That's Life when you need them?

 

[ChrisHGTV]

Don't they taste the same....? Or were you planning on selling them?

ooh no these were not in any way edible. Some looked like a ginger goats beard. Really quite disturbing. I can only think the soil is cursed to produce such specimens. Marvellous crop of tomatoes in the greenhouse though.

 

[ChrisHGTV]

Where is Esther Rantzen and That's Life when you need them?

Ha ha, yes. Though i think these were really too ugly for TV!

 

[Basa96]

Spot on.
Over the years, I’ve built/rebuilt SO many classics that now are worth big money, only to sell them on ……. Like this little beauty
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Wise words,I'm sticking with my 3,5 by eclass 2010 remapped 0 to 60 ,5secs ,they can stick their electric cars were the sun dont shine

 

[Dickster]

More scientists supporting vegan way of life 21,000 Scientists Want You to Ditch Meat for the Planet which to a point I can see, interested to see what other think. It is one way to reduce CO2 levels, but can we grow enough to replace meat and all of its other benefits such as milk. eggs etc

I’d like to know what they think about shipping crap around the world, plastics, must have lastest gadgets, the throw away mentality, constantly refurbing our homes, new kitchens bathrooms etc, etc …

Look at how much energy crypto currency uses, and they want us to give up eating meat?

 

[Bellow]

I forgot about crypto currency. Can it be stopped?

 

[190]

I forgot about crypto currency. Can it be stopped?

Crypto mining is banned in Iran, Kosovo, and China It should be banned everywhere.

It's hard to take most countries environmental agenda seriously when they permit crypto mining.

She's a climate activist so why hasn't Carrie whispered in Boris's ear to ban it in the UK. I'll begin to take net zero seriously when we do.

 

[Deleted member 159894]

Crypto mining is banned in Iran, Kosovo, and China It should be banned everywhere.

It's hard to take most countries environmental agenda seriously when they permit crypto mining.

She's a climate activist so why hasn't Carrie whispered in Boris's ear to ban it in the UK. I'll begin to take net zero seriously when we do.

Is that your only criteria?

 

[Wolfie1]

It won't.

Pretty much the only environmental benefit of zero exhasut emission vehicles is that they remove harmful toxic fumes away from urban areas where the majority of people work and live.

But building a new car and shipping it across the globe is just as harmful to the planet, regardless of where it's ICE or EV. And the polluting petroleum industry will be replaced by a polluting battery industry. There are no gains to be had there.

Did I say yet that we should invest in public transport instead of in EV incentives? Public transport should be efficient and affordable, and use of private vehicles should no longer be the norm. If we are to save the planet, that is.

The issue with public transport is that it truly sucks balls in every aspect, bus is always late, cold in it or too hot, always gets suck in traffic, always has a drunk person smelling of wee, some menacing kids at the back listening to some crap on their wireless speakers, lots of rubbish rolling around and then always stops way away from where you need to be and its usually raining so you get to wherever you need to go and be wet for the rest of the day!

 

[BigJase88]

The issue with public transport is that it truly sucks balls in every aspect, bus is always late, cold in it or too hot, always gets suck in traffic, always has a drunk person smelling of wee, some menacing kids at the back listening to some crap on their wireless speakers, lots of rubbish rolling around and then always stops way away from where you need to be and its usually raining so you get to wherever you need to go and be wet for the rest of the day!

Plus who wants to be a bus W️

Not me

 

[markjay]

The issue with public transport is that it truly sucks balls in every aspect, bus is always late, cold in it or too hot, always gets suck in traffic, always has a drunk person smelling of wee, some menacing kids at the back listening to some crap on their wireless speakers, lots of rubbish rolling around and then always stops way away from where you need to be and its usually raining so you get to wherever you need to go and be wet for the rest of the day!

Buy new busses.... have them run more frequently, covering more routes, and add more stops... have them cleaned more often... give them more bus lanes... build light railways or tram systems.... it all costs money, but doable.

As for the drunk smelling of wee and the kids at the back... and the rain, these can be resolved by complimenting the buses and trains with a good taxi/minicab/Uber service.

 

[whitenemesis]

Buy new busses.... have them run more frequently, covering more routes, and add more stops... have them cleaned more often... give them more bus lanes... build light railways or tram systems.... it all costs money, but doable.

As for the drunk smelling of wee and the kids at the back... and the rain, these can be resolved by complimenting the buses and trains with a good taxi/minicab/Uber service.

Bring back bus Conductors who would happily give you a clip aside your ear before throwing you off the bus!

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Bring back bus Conductors who would happily give you a clip aside your ear before throwing you off the bus!

Sadly they’re all in prison now for giving children and drunks a clip round the ear and throwing them off the bus

 

[markjay]

Sadly they’re all in prison now for giving children and drunks a clip round the ear and throwing them off the bus

And also for hitting the cyclists that were undertaking the bus while the drunks were thrawn of it...

 

[Swotty]

Here's an interesting article from the DM:

Are electric cars the new 'diesel scandal' waiting to happen?

Today, diesel is a dirty word and many countries penalise drivers with extra congestion charges and vehicle duty. But could electric cars be the future for all? BJORN LOMBORG finds out.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[markjay]

Here's an interesting article from the DM:

Are electric cars the new 'diesel scandal' waiting to happen?

Today, diesel is a dirty word and many countries penalise drivers with extra congestion charges and vehicle duty. But could electric cars be the future for all? BJORN LOMBORG finds out.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Agreed.... it's a scam. The government trying to make us believe that we can simply swap our ICE cars with EVs and keep on buying cars and drive them to our heart's content. Not so.

As I keep saying ... EVs remove harmful exhaust emissions from city centres, which is great. And they also remove brake dust pollution. But they do not ease congestion, do not reduce road deaths, do not reduce tyre dust pollution, and do not help the planet due to the pollution involved in building them and shipping them halfway across the world - all the ICE car maladies of old are still very much with us in the EV age.

The obvious issue is that far too many people are employed directly in the automotive industry around the UK, to impact any change. From dealers, through traders, garages, parts manufacturers, car park operators, petrol stations (and now manufacturers of EV chargers), detailers, tyre fitters, and down to your local hand car wash. And, on top of that, there's the wider peripheral jobs in cleaning, security, catering, etc provided to businesses in the automotive industry.

It will taken another generation or two before any government can instigate a downturn in the automotive sector in the UK. The last time the government did something similar, when the coal mines were shut, didn't go down well with parts of the population and created pockets in the UK where voters will never vote for the party that was in power at the time.

So.... go out there and buy new EVs. Bad for the planet, yes... but our political system won't allow us to have less cars on our roads. Sad but true.

 

[Bellow]

As I keep saying ... EVs remove harmful exhaust emissions from city centres, which is great.

They don't. They merely don't add to them.
A large low pressure (read NOx free) petrol engined vehicle with a 3-way cat would remove the harmful exhaust emissions created by others, eg, the Dieselgate cars either without the manufacturer's map update or remapped (to reverse the effects of the manufacturer's map update making them even heavier polluters than in cheat configuration) that are permitted to enter LEZs without levy.

 

[markjay]

They don't. They merely don't add to them.
A large low pressure (read NOx free) petrol engined vehicle with a 3-way cat would remove the harmful exhaust emissions created by others, eg, the Dieselgate cars either without the manufacturer's map update or remapped (to reverse the effects of the manufacturer's map update making them even heavier polluters than in cheat configuration) that are permitted to enter LEZs without levy.

If you tie a C63 to an C220 CDI, rear-to-rear, then maybe

But you can't seriously rely on (unmodified...) AMGs to be everywhere and quickly capture all the NOx gasses before the pedestrians alongside the road breathe them into their lungs......