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Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

Tonye said:
May be they do, my SL is 21 years old and still going strong, an EV might be scrap in 10 or require yet another battery, depends on how much CO2 is emitted to produce either again.
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This may be true but it goes WELL beyond the current discussion.

It's all about the vicious cycle that says that a thriving economy is built on consumerism that feeds the thriving economy and so on.

Remember Blair's Scrappage Scheme, shamelessly aimed at reviving the car industry following the 2008 'credit crunch', that saw consumers spend less? The Planet Can Wait, this could be a working title for a documentary film about the Scrappage Scheme.

This is the society that we live in. The idea that we will make less of anything, including cars, is sacrilege. "What about the job losses??", I hear a chorus on the Daily Mail.

So we come-up with all those fantastic solutions, where we can eat all we want when we want and still lose weight, sorry meant to say that we can all have as many cars as we like and somehow our economy will thrive while still saving the planet. Am I the only one who sees this for what it is... a scam?

EVs remove harmful exhaust emission from city centres... they are better than ICE cars in that respect. Yes, I am aware that not everyone here agrees, happy to leave it at that.

But why should city dwellers have private cars? Because the economy will collapse if we stop making them, polluting the planet in the process? Seems so...
 
markjay said:
This may be true but it goes WELL beyond the current discussion.
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I personally don't think we have gone far enough with it, it certainly gone EV v ICE, what about the other types of propulsion in the future, Hydrogen, Nuclear, wind and solar for electricity production, battery technology of the future. All i can see here is a large circle we all keep dancing around. No way will people give up their independence, no matter how good a bus service is or ever will be.
 
Tonye said:
...No way will people give up their independence, no matter how good a bus service is or ever will be...
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The issue isn't about the energy to propel cars, the issue is about the massive footprint that the automotive industry has on the planet. How do you reverse that?
 
markjay said:
The issue isn't about the energy to propel cars, the issue is about the massive footprint that the automotive industry has on the planet. How do you reverse that?
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Don't they go hand in hand, energy to propel or create leaves a footprint.
 
Tonye said:
I personally don't think we have gone far enough with it, it certainly gone EV v ICE, what about the other types of propulsion in the future, Hydrogen, Nuclear, wind and solar for electricity production, battery technology of the future. All i can see here is a large circle we all keep dancing around. No way will people give up their independence, no matter how good a bus service is or ever will be.
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Taking away personal mobility from the public is such a regressive social policy. All the benefits personal mobility has given to mankind in the first world and beyond.

You would think a simple cost benefit analysis would identify other environmentally damaging industries as far more worthy targets than the automotive manufacturers. Try the defense industry for a start or the tech industry and their disposable inane products.
 
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Yup. Other industries. In other countries. Let them go first. Absolutely. That's the spirit.
 
I'm still waiting for the bus, might as well jump in the car it's quicker.
 
Bobby Dazzler said:
I believe that’s @markjay point, part of the right long term solution is much improved public transport and outside large cities there’s not much of it today.
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London has arguably the best public transport links in the UK but also the greatest number of electric vehicles.

"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink."
 
Does not really make sense to post here as everyone has fixed their opinions. I was just reading figures about electric car sales in Norway and they have a problem with their 2025 limit for ICE ban. Seems likely that at early summer this year they will have months with zero new ICE cars sold. Difficult to extent ICE sales up to 2025. :)

I guess their public transport is better than just outside London, thought northern Norway would be bit challenging too. :)
 
ChipChop said:
London has arguably the best public transport links in the UK but also the greatest number of electric vehicles....
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Also the greatest number of electric busses, BTW. Nearly 1,000 of them. It's doable, it's only a question of budget and priorities.
 
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