Which will be fastest?!

[stats007]

Scumbag, unless you're committed to DMS already, give these guys a ring.

 

[scumbag]

TorqueingBHP do the SLK to 375bhp and 560nm. but it costs £705. they remove the 155 limit so the car should do 173mph.

Superchips give you 22bhp (382bhp) and 540nm for £550 and no de-limit.

DMS gives 399bhp and 560nm, plus full delimit and a go on the rolling road for actual figure chart for under £1500!
they suggest it will exceed 180mph altho they have only had the one they have done to 165 so far.

 

[stats007]

It's worth shopping around - you have to be careful of quoted figures - they give you no indication of what the power curve is like at different parts of the rev band - something worth discussing with each tuner.

 

[glojo]

Time for me to query the terms and conditions of the...........

...... warranty

I usually read how these companies gaurantee their work and sometimes even offer a warranty, but that is not the issue. I am querying where you stand with Mercedes-Benz.

Those that go down this route usually say that it makes no difference. I could say the moon is made of cheese, it makes no difference to its true construction

Good luck,
John

 

[scumbag]

It's worth shopping around - you have to be careful of quoted figures - they give you no indication of what the power curve is like at different parts of the rev band - something worth discussing with each tuner.

They all sent me the information. and you are right about shopping around. the superchip idea is not happening as it doesn't give a very reassuring view. I spoke with all 3 companies, altho the superchip one was through a local dealer/tuner. they were steering me away from that idea and pointing out the other 2 had proper Mercedes Know-how. they also asked if they could have a look at the car when its done.

the others have, but that fact i can get it on a rolling road as part of the deal allows me to find out what it will do. They also do a full refund and reset if you are unhappy with the results. So am getting it done at my home, and 2 weeks later its off to the rolling road for the figures. that gives me time to decide if its better or not.

Warranty? whats one of them? faint hearts! is best reply for that. and unless it actually affects the engine then the dealer wont know its been touched. so they wont look. and to prove this point, when the car went in for its new water pump that turned out to be a seal that was the wrong one, they did not clear the memory from the car when it had its tracker fittted at delivery. i found this out as when the steering failed, which turned out to be wrong software settings in the parameter sensor, the mechy who turned up and my house gave it a full look as the car wasnt saying it had a fault.

he found all of them including the steering, and reset them. so it has no faults now.

Anyhow, who cares. if it fails and they wont fix it, never mind eh? There is a Brabus dealer about 35miles away, who informed me, that next time i have a problem, they are Merc authorised repairers and said i should get in touch with them for reassurance. and its not had any problems for a while now other than my finger trouble.

 

[glojo]

Warranty? whats one of them? faint hearts! is best reply for that..

Ouch! Well said.

and unless it actually affects the engine then the dealer wont know its been touched. so they wont look. and to prove this point, ..

Proof is perhaps not the right word. When we rejected one of our vehicles because of incurable vibration, the technical department at Mercedes-Benz UK sent down and engineer with diagnostic equipment that amazed the local dealership. They reckoned the only thing it did not display was where the steel came from that made the engine???

If the vehicle had been modified in anyway, the history would have shown up on this equipment?? Would that have been anything to do with the reported vibrations???

I never saw the equipment and have no idea what it was, but the workshop manager who was dealing with my claim reckoned I was responsible for the death of a number of tree's simply because of the huge pile of paper that was printed out by the equipment. I am NOT being a kill joy, I am merely suggesting that by removing a chip, it will not remove the evidence that it has been there.

I accept that you and thousands of other owners have had work done under warranty even though the engine has been chipped. I am merely saying that with my luck, I would buy an expensive £60,000 plus car, have it chipped, the gearbox might explode and I would be told TOUGH!! That is all I am saying. Older car owners and rich folk are exempt from my observations

Good luck,
John

 

[scumbag]

I never saw the equipment and have no idea what it was, but the workshop manager who was dealing with my claim reckoned I was responsible for the death of a number of tree's simply because of the huge pile of paper that was printed out by the equipment. I am NOT being a kill joy, I am merely suggesting that by removing a chip, it will not remove the evidence that it has been there.

They reprogram the chip with all its exsiting information, but they alter the bits that need adjusting for the performance increase. The thing is, that these ECUs' work more than just the engine, so it isnt just a matter of replacemnt chips. So unless they check for the correct engine paramters against the setting on the car after the remap, they will be none the wiser.

now, obvioulsy if i had issues with the engine after the event, or indeed anything that is power realted, like the gearbox, they will, or may invesitgate. If, however, it is the leccy seats for example, they would not look at the engine parameters, even tho, under the terms of the warranty, it would be void. And bear in mind, the warranty does not mean it cant be fixed. it just specifies who pays for it. So if its a minor issue, and they find it, i pay. If they dont look, they pay. if it's a big issue and they dont look, they pay, if they do look, its insured

The Mercedes Roverey man reset the ECU fault codes when he came on 27th Dec. He printed out the fault coding for the dealer, as he wanted to recheck the part that was at fault. They rang me the follwoing day to ask why the fault was not on the memory, and very slowly i explained to them, that with the keys, was some paperwork and in that paperwork, is the 8 sheets of paper with all the logged codes. The guy eventually realised that he needed to look elsewhere before ringing me, altho he did say it didnt have any trace of faults right back to when the ecu measured the first mileage, which was dated in June 2005. I explained that when they fitted the tracker, it recorded that on the 5th Sept 2005, and if they cared to look at the sheet it has it on. So it will record anything you want it too, and it can be cleared.

Both DMS and TorqueingBHP offer this as the upgrade. they just developed differing parameters for the performance. The Superchip dealer was slightly hesitant on working on this car due to its complexities, altho he did confirm what the others were saying. I did laugh, when he said " we'll give it a bash tho!" They are Turbo specialists and have good rep up here.

so its down to choices. mind you, you only live once, may as well go out with smile!!

 

[glojo]

you only live once, may as well go out with smile!!

I have my death all planned out, it would even make 'Kinky' smile.

I can assure you though that it will not be me behind the wheel of ANY car. (Very contented smile)

Regards
John

 

[Maff]

99.9% of dealers wont be able to detect an engine re-map, as their equipment is not that complicated.

As with most dealers, if they suspect an electronic item to be at fault, they order a new one and install it, same with the ECU, and then code it for the bits you have on your car.

As with Porsche, if you have a serious engine issue they may send your ECU back to Germany for 'proper' analysis. If they find it to be re-mapped (as has happened with some Porsche owners) then the warrantee work is void.

The chances of a MB dealer sending the ECU back for analysis is very very slim, my new turbo etc was replaced without problem

If you are ever seriously worried about them finding out, pop the car back to DMS before taking into the dealer and they will upload YOUR factor map back onto the ECU, and even MB Germany will have a very hard job finding out anything’s been done (read to much trouble for them to actually bother)

 

[Howard]

So, if they reload your original map back on while you have the car serviced or whatever , will they then bill you again to re-install the re-map ?

Or , once you have paid for it can you swap back and forth as need be ( obviously within reason )

 

[Maff]

So, if they reload your original map back on while you have the car serviced or whatever , will they then bill you again to re-install the re-map ?

Or , once you have paid for it can you swap back and forth as need be ( obviously within reason )

Depends how friendly you are with Rob at DMS

 

[Howard]

Lol :d

 

[glojo]

99.9% of dealers wont be able to detect an engine re-map, as their equipment is not that complicated.

I am sure that you are correct, and it would need something very exceptional to get DaimlerChrysler involved. I think it great that modern vehicles can be so easily and relatively cheaply tuned to such high levels.

I am certainly NOT saying NO, I am merely saying make sure you have your eyes wide open when you carry out any modification. I enjoy reading about the many conversions, plus the excellent gains in performance.

I am NOT an old grump that says no, I am hopefully merely reminding folks of the down side of what is a tempting upgrade.

Regards,
John the olde grump

 

[Howard]

John the Doom-monger .......

LOL just kidding

 

[stats007]

John you're not related to Peter Church are you?

 

[scumbag]

this is the thread i was looking for.

hmmm.

should we do a new one with the idea of a gtg at this place?

who can organise it? do they have a day free? etc. if it was for us only, then i am sure the less power crazed amongst us could turn up just for interest anyway.

suggestions?

 

[machasm]

I'm still interested.
Mac.

 

[altreed]

I could be tempted for a run.

 

[Mr E]

"I am certainly NOT saying NO, I am merely saying make sure you have your eyes wide open when you carry out any modification. I enjoy reading about the many conversions, plus the excellent gains in performance.

I am NOT an old grump that says no, I am hopefully merely reminding folks of the down side of what is a tempting upgrade."

During his time as an F1 engineer, my ol' man was called on as an expert "witness" in a number of cases in the UK for a particular manufacturer where the warrenty was deemed voided due to tuning/remapping. Although not MB, it's surprising what is in the manufacturer's ****nal when looking down the barrel of an expensive engine replacement...

Oh - and he was never on the losing side, even when the owners took it to court. On the other side, he also held his hands up and signed off the repair when needed...

 

[splang]

I am sure that you are correct, and it would need something very exceptional to get DaimlerChrysler involved. I think it great that modern vehicles can be so easily and relatively cheaply tuned to such high levels.

I am certainly NOT saying NO, I am merely saying make sure you have your eyes wide open when you carry out any modification. I enjoy reading about the many conversions, plus the excellent gains in performance.

I am NOT an old grump that says no, I am hopefully merely reminding folks of the down side of what is a tempting upgrade.

Regards,
John the olde grump

your not in that program on tv thats on tonight are you ?