300ce amg.

[John]

I'm not a huge fan of this shape Merc but I like this:

Used 1991 Mercedes-Benz AMG for sale in Berkshire | Pistonheads

Is it legit from a glance at the advert?

 

[Red C220]

Is it legit from a glance at the advert?

Looks like it.

Same about the red Barry bits and the pedals but very easily rectified.

Unlike the e500/500e though, there were a (very) few RHD versions of these, which in the UK may command £25K to a collector. The fact they exist means a LHD in the UK is not as desirable.

I think he's optimistic with the price but I guess you have to start somewhere and the prices of classic vehicles in general seems to being going one way at the moment.

 

[PhilJ]

Good looking car. It's a widebody, but doesn't seem to have the proper widebody skirts, I could be wrong, but I don't think it's original as they're a different profile to the 2 known other W124 CE AMG widebodies. When hammers are up for 100k, I don't think the value is miles off...

 

[Red C220]

Good looking car. It's a widebody, but doesn't seem to have the proper widebody skirts, I could be wrong, but I don't think it's original as they're a different profile to the 2 known other W124 CE AMG widebodies. When hammers are up for 100k, I don't think the value is miles off...

Has a "Hammer" ever actually sold for £100K other than when new?

The last factual sale I'm aware of with some certainty was the 560E AMG W124 Ex George Harrison AMG factory documented car that Talbir bought at auction for circa £10K. That is one of 2 RHD and a very long way from £100K.

http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/general-discussion/48308-missing-rhd-amg-hammer.html

http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/spotted-ebay/140622-mercedes-benz-amg-hammer-5-0-1985-a.html

 

[John Jones Jr]

Good looking car. It's a widebody, but doesn't seem to have the proper widebody skirts, I could be wrong, but I don't think it's original as they're a different profile to the 2 known other W124 CE AMG widebodies. When hammers are up for 100k, I don't think the value is miles off...

If you are correct PhilJ, along with the later front end, clear indicators and incorrect rear lamp units plus with 'pink' steering wheel & g/knob would put me off for sure.

 

[Red C220]

I don't think two widebody's were ever the same, they were all hand built.

Jay came across the same problem when building his one, he looked at a number of genuine AMG W126 Widebody's and they were all slightly different.

 

[PhilJ]

RHD anything will never go for as much compared to it's LHD equivalent as it's only a small proportion of potential buyers. That hammer was for sale for a while, but I heard it wasn't running properly?

Handbuilt, from AMG panels. Which means there will obviously be variants in how they were fitted, but generally speaking without a close inspection they all look like a Widebody be it W124 or W126. Although, there are at least 2 styles of C124 Widebody.

The UK version, shown on 1 AMG in the old adverts. They're not as wide as others, compared to the Hammer for sale at Marco Hof which has arches that look much more like all the wider Japanese versions and that was a European car from new.

Here are the skinnier UK versions....

I picked these up recently, which are noticeably wider...

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1011195332229464&id=1006929542656043

That Hammer was for sale, for £100k, it isn't for sale anymore....

 

[Red C220]

That Hammer was for sale, for £100k, it isn't for sale anymore....

Did it sell? If it did what for?

Genuinely curious.

This is currently up for sale at Euro 79k (approx £58K)

AMG 6.0 / 32V DOHC BreiteVersion M117/9 For Sale (1990) on Car And Classic UK [C585291]

Genuine German Car that's spent the last 6 years in Canada with one owner, fully documented.

Which hammer was for sale for a while that wasn't running properly?

 

[John Jones Jr]

Here's an interesting one and looks totally genuine. Along with cloth seats by looks of it, correct front end, lights, dash clocks in black and manual too. The post states also, all 300CE AMG 3.4's built by AMG were left hookers.

Australia's leading Mercedes-Benz website

 

[John Jones Jr]

Actually, just looking at that Aussie one again I'd have that one anyday over the Pistonheads car.

 

[Niks]

That car is a genuine 3.4 AMG but at a much later stage was converted into a widebody by its owner - this conversion was privately done and had nothing to do with AMG themselves and never came from factory like that. M104.980 engines only ever came in the pre-facelift cars so this one has obviously been face lifted at a later date when the widebody conversion was done. Recaro seats were installed at a later date too by a company in Japan who referb's Recaro Classics and CSE's. I guess you have all figured out it is a Japan import that was sold on JPC Trade for around £9k - now been tremendously inflated to £25k in hope that some poor sod turns up thinking its a real hammer and buys it.

I personally think its worth around £8-10k. If it was a real 5.6 or 6.0 widebody hammer, then thats a completely different story and it would be priceless.

 

[John Jones Jr]

Did you shine the light or what Niks...good man.

 

[PhilJ]

RedC220, I'd assume if it wasn't listed on their website it's sold. How much for, you'd have to ask them. Be interesting to see if that 126 goes. Sorry, I was on about the other rhd hammer that was for sale with a specialist for 40k. A mate rang up about it and was told it was running lumpy. It was for sale for a long time, sold recently and apparently went abroad.

Niks, I thought as much, steering wheel is lairy enough to be a Japanese special. Didn't want to say for sure on the widebody as I remember a single grey CE done like that (non wide skirts) by an AMG dealer in the US.

How do you know he did the widebody, do you know him? Wouldn't of thought it matters who's fitted the Recaros. In fairness to the seller, he doesn't mention hammer anywhere. I've been keeping an eye on the Japanese stuff and whilst things do pop up occasionally they usually seem to go for strong money. £9k works out to be about £16k back once taxes and fee's are taken into account. £10k is just about the sum of the parts...

 

[John Jones Jr]

in hope that some poor sod turns up thinking its a real hammer and buys it.

Well, judging by the sellers response to a few questions I think you are correct.

I quote:
''Yes all done factory fitted, how you see the car is how it came out the Factory''

 

[Niks]

How do you know he did the widebody, do you know him?

I don't know the owner but I remember seeing the car when it was on JPC Trade when it was for sale back in Japan.

The biggest clue is rear fender, its been cut out of a 500E and welded onto that car and you can tell by the shape and contour of it. If you compared this to a real widebody AMG C124, you'll notice that the flare is much wider which starts from the rear light. The lower quarter cladding and the sideskirt flares out too in line with each other. In this car, it doesnt and its just straight and flat. Also, those chequered floor mats is a 'japanese' thing to do and many W124's for sale have them there.

There's nothing wrong with the car itself, its just not a real widebody AMG and certainly never left the factory like that as the seller claims - so not worth the £25k he's asking for. This guy needs to educate himself and know more about what he's actually selling rather than bull**** people.

 

[jaymanek]

Just to add the 3.4 AMG cars had a dual intake air filter... this one is missing it..

But then AMG Japan did some strange things...

 

[davetr123]

Nice car

 

[John Jones Jr]

Just to add the 3.4 AMG cars had a dual intake air filter... this one is missing it..

But then AMG Japan did some strange things...

Are you sure about that? Don't see a 2nd intake on the German reg'ed car that's in Downunderland.

 

[brigadier]

Jay is right on second intake, might be Japan AMG didn't bother.

 

[John Jones Jr]

This doesn't say to me that it's not an AMG factory car. A poor photo but no 2nd intake visible, maybe it's just missing?