300ce amg.

[Niks]

Ive seen quite a few 3.4 AMG's with and without the 2nd air intake, maybe people just take it off as it looks horrible like a clothes dryer hose or something

 

[John Jones Jr]

That makes sense Niks, as indeed the intake does look a bit homemade and I'd imagine the difference it makes is probably marginal in day to day use.

 

[davetr123]

Nice car

 

[PhilJ]

Niks: So you’re saying it didn’t have the widebody in Japan? Sure it was the same car? I think I’ve got pictures of this when it was on ebay a year ago, or one that looked very similar with the same steering wheel.


I still think you’re being overly harsh on the owner, he hasn’t mentioned Hammer, hasn’t even mentioned Widebody. Hardly trying to bull**** anyone. Chances are it “left the factory” with the amg bodykit, wheels and engine. So what if a widebody has been added down the line? He’s not claiming it to be an original AMG widebody. It’s listed as a 300CE 3.4 AMG. Which it is.


AMG Japan did do some weird things. As I said even the ‘muricans knocked out one widebody CE on narrow skirts. If you saw that, you’d say the same thing, but it came from an AMG dealer. I can't see how you can say for sure.


Some dealers did the 2nd air intake, some didn't. Same for the 3.2 M103.

 

[PhilJ]

These pictures were saved to my computer on the 24th of April 2014. It was on ebay. Can't remember how much for.

 

[Skhan]

I think it looks stunning.

 

[bing]

Question is did the 3.4 AMGs come with flared rear arches ? The one in aus , based on the Ad story , appears to be all original and don't look like it has flared rear arches. If so , then this is how it rolled out from the factory. Therefore, the one in Uxbridge , as nik pointed out , has been modified with e500e rear arches , plain and simple ! AFAIK only C124 widebody is the hammer . Then again the dealer is not claiming this.

And yes it has come off a boat from Japan and the Japanese love e500e arches , especially on TEs/CEs

This same dealer still has the E60 (I think ) for 100k which was flipped by motocars in reading . This group specialises in Japanese imports .

 

[Red C220]

Question.

Aren't the AMG Decals normally fitted to the front slam panel rather than the engine cam cover?

That's where they've been on every AMG car I've seen.

 

[PhilJ]

There are various widebody CE’s without being a “hammer”. As with all this stuff it was an option. If you wanted the full kit and widebody you could have it, if you wanted just the engine, be it a 3.2, 3.4 or 5 or 6.0l 32v you could have just that. It was a pricelist that you just chose what you wanted and you could add to it years afterwards.

I did say from the outset the arches are not like the known genuine AMG widebody panels, but as I’ve said there is nothing to suggest that was or wasn’t an AMG Japan thing. They did they’re own things, as did the ‘muricans. Hence how does anyone here know for sure?

Stickers I’ve seen in both places on various cars, probably have some pictures around.

 

[Abdul]

God that is a beauty. I wish they made RHD E500's in these with the widebody.

 

[John Jones Jr]

Hence how does anyone here know for sure?

Ah Phil, the seller clearly stated in his email to me the car (as it's currently seen in his advert) came exactly like that from the factory! I've no doubt in my mind, either the seller is bullsh1tting or doesn't know what he's selling. I'd bet on the former. Also too, in my opinion the Aussie car or similar is the better buy of the two if it was for sale.

 

[Niks]

I dont know why people say AMG did some weird things, they didnt. They only added extra interior trim parts, stickers and logo's from what I've seen. Every other mish mash facelift convesions with pre-facelift AMG kits were done by random garages including those 500E arches on it, as its a popular mod there - nothing to do with AMG.

Here is a genuine Japan AMG 3.4 Widebody in its correct pre-facelift form - nothing weird about this - exactly how it would have rolled out from Germany...

Anyhow, its all good and this can go on forever. At the end of the day its still a nice car but seriously at £25k lol.

 

[John Jones Jr]

At the end of the day its still a nice car but seriously at £25k lol.

I've got to agree with you, it's not worth the money. The only way that car is worth 25k is if it was returned to factory supplied specification.


P.s. Nothing like originality when it comes to very limited production numbers imo.

 

[John Jones Jr]

Just looking at the advert again, even the seats are incorrect for this particular car, not good.

 

[PhilJ]

I think you’re missing my point. Just because it isn’t THE AMG widebody, doesn’t mean it wasn’t done by AMG. I’m not saying it was done by them, I’m saying you can’t be 100% sure it wasn’t.

I don’t know what you’re picturing, but there was no AMG factory in Japan or the UK, and car’s certainly didn’t get sent half way around the world for a bit of bodywork. Engines were sometimes sent from the UK/Europe, but I’m not sure about Japan.

AMG parts were sold by dealers, each dealer had a workshop either with a paint shop or one close by. There was a shopping list of what’s available. People came in, ordered it, and the dealer fitted. There were many dealers all around each country, all of which did whatever the customer wanted.

If we were talking about this car instead, you’d be arguing it wasn’t done by AMG because it doesn’t have the proper arches, but it was. So why didn’t they fit them?

AMG never sold manual cars most people say (even AMG) but they’re out there on 1 owner cars, same for brake upgrades etc. It was all bespoke. You could have as much or as little as possible.

Just because a shop sells Recaros in Japan I don’t see how that means they were fitted recently. They look a bit worn to be recent. Most of this stuff wasn’t documented. Yes they’re clearly not the proper arches, but you can’t be sure the proper ones were the only type every possible dealer ever fitted to every car they have ever worked on in Japan, ever.

There is no proof either way, but there is a lot of proof AMG did things that weren’t in the brochures.

 

[PhilJ]

Just looking at the advert again, even the seats are incorrect for this particular car, not good.

Why?

 

[John Jones Jr]

Phil, you are not listening to my point. The seller says the car as it stands today came from the factory like that. He's not talking about from an AMG dealer or AMG Japan. Now, I can't be convinced in the slightest that's the case. Here's why:

1. Facelift front end on a '91 car!
2, Incorrect rear lamps.
3. White face dials.
4. Two tone steering wheel & gear knob.
5. Incorrect looking AMG pedal set (note accelerator pedal).
6. Duplicate seat controls on door cards.

On that basis I'd presume it would be the wise to presume the arch kit/job is not factory either which are supported by Niks comments in a previous post.

 

[PhilJ]

*sighs*

1) Could have been done at a later date, or even by AMG if the customer asked for it. The Japs like to make things look newer, just like the number plate tarts in this country who need their 15 or 16 plate car.
2) Same as 1)
3) White dials was an AMG thing. They did them with the AMG logo and without, just like the bumpers. Or you could have black ones.
4) What if the customer wanted an orange AMG wheel? Do you think they refused?
5) See 1)
6) Car would have had electric seats as standard. They would have left the original electric bases and fitted the Recaros to them so forwards and backwards were on the door. Sometimes the trim got swapped out to only leave the OE forwards/backwards switch.

I'll repeat myself in case you missed it, there was no AMG Japan factory. Not one. There was no AMG UK or US factory. Only one in Germany, even that wasn't a "factory" - every part made was made by someone else.

By your understanding, all cars went back to Affalterbach for work? Or are you trying to say all cars went to a "factory" in each country?

Feel free to have a read of this.

What is a Pre-Merger AMG Car - Mercedes-Benz Forum

 

[stwat]

Weren't they basically cheque book tuners? You write a big enough cheque and they will do what you want. No set rules so to speak. Like so many independent tuners and styling houses back then. And these days too.

 

[PhilJ]

Have a look at the ducktail, that wasn't how AMG intended it, but that dealer had a good metal man who could make them from scratch and blend it in, so he did. That was in the US....