6 speed box in a W202 /W208?

[John Jones Jr]

I've got 2 swaps coming up so I'll take some pics if you like? Ones a 300ce, the other is a C37.

If you have the time, I'd really like to see a photo of the different gear linkages. But don't put yourself to any trouble either.

 

[PhilJ]

Cheers. So for an M113 conversion, what cars are we looking at?

Each car seems to have a different linkage. I could do with a 202 one and can't see any around, what are the options with the rest?

There are loads of 203s, can they be used? Which linkage is best for the 124?

 

[carat 3.6]

Cheers. So for an M113 conversion, what cars are we looking at?

Each car seems to have a different linkage. I could do with a 202 one and can't see any around, what are the options with the rest?

There are loads of 203s, can they be used? Which linkage is best for the 124?

M113 cant be converted with factory parts, m112 manual gearbox'es can be found in the w202 and w210.

No 6 speed linkage fits the w124 so you need to chop up a w203 part, cut the correct sized hole in w124 tunnel, then make some mounting points for it.

The gearbox crossmember is custom too.

 

[PhilJ]

Cheers for that, why can't the M113 be converted? M112 bolts up, flywheel pattern is the same...

Finally got EPC going, will dig out some part numbers for all the different linkages.

As far as I read, the early linkage has alot of play. The later cars got an updated linkage to solve this by the looks of it, on EPC, the R170 6 speed has an updated part number for example.

Would be good to get all the different linkages and differences together, there might be one that'll fit a 124/201 or be a bit easier to modify.

 

[carat 3.6]

Cheers for that, why can't the M113 be converted? M112 bolts up, flywheel pattern is the same...

Finally got EPC going, will dig out some part numbers for all the different linkages.

You can bolt it together, but the m113 ecu will not run without the auto gearbox can bus inputs. If you were to swap to stand alone engine management then it will work fine.

There was a thread on the crossfire forums about this very swap, he ended up having to build an ecu out of several different ones. Then there was the coded key problem, but I think he got there in the end.

I considered converting a c43 to manual, and as such have a 2001 E240 6 speed as a donor car. That swap is for another day though.

 

[John Jones Jr]

Carat, have you any idea what's the best linkage to use for the W202 M111. I ask mainly, as Phil mentioned, it's going be difficult to find an W202 with a 6sp as standard. So, I presume (I'm presuming a lot on this thread ) the best/most common option will be from a W203 as there's plenty being broken. If, I do go W203 6sp, will I have to modify the linkage?

 

[nick mercedes]

A 208 or 170 would be best surely, given they are both based on a W202?

 

[John Jones Jr]

A 208 or 170 would be best surely, given they are both based on a W202?

Yes, that's makes a lot sense but I'm just unsure if there's any advantage of using the 208 or 170 as there's plenty more 203's being broken from what I've seen. It would nice if the 208 or 170 6sp just slotted in and no mods required other that the prop - wishful thinking on my part no doubt.

 

[nick mercedes]

A 170/208 prop and linkage would fit I would have thought, pretty much the same car floor pan wise, at least around the front

 

[John Jones Jr]

A 170/208 prop and linkage would fit I would have thought, pretty much the same car floor pan wise, at least around the front

Yeah, spot on there Nick. Wasn't thinking, no reason my the 208 prop should not be just a bolt up as it has to be the correct length.

 

[nick mercedes]

Yeah, spot on there Nick. Wasn't thinking, no reason my the 208 prop should not be just a bolt up as it has to be the correct length.

In fact looking at the EPC the shifter was A2022670124 now A2082670124, and that part fits either a W202 or a W208, so the shifters are the same.

 

[PhilJ]

The part numbers for a SLK 200 and 230 Kompressor linkage is A170 267 01 24, which was replaced by A170 267 14 24. 170444 and 170449 chassis.

The SLK320 170465 chassis has a A170 267 04 24, replaced by A170 267 15 24.

SLK 200 kompressor (171442 and 171445) has a simpler looking mech with the number A171 267 01 24

SLK 280 171454 and SLK 350 171456 and 171458 has the part number A171 267 02 24

All seemingly different to any of the 202 models.

 

[John Jones Jr]

In fact looking at the EPC the shifter was A2022670124 now A2082670124, and that part fits either a W202 or a W208, so the shifters are the same.

Appreciated

 

[John Jones Jr]

The part numbers for a SLK 200 and 230 Kompressor linkage is A170 267 01 24, which was replaced by A170 267 14 24. 170444 and 170449 chassis.

The SLK320 170465 chassis has a A170 267 04 24, replaced by A170 267 15 24.

SLK 200 kompressor (171442 and 171445) has a simpler looking mech with the number A171 267 01 24

SLK 280 171454 and SLK 350 171456 and 171458 has the part number A171 267 02 24

All seemingly different to any of the 202 models.

So, in a nutshell what are you saying?

 

[PhilJ]

Well none of the SLK linkages are any good for a 202 it seems, carat says the 203 needs chopping up to fit a 124, would be good to know what needs chopping. There may be a better linkage out there.

We also now know the linkages are different between M111 and M112 boxes.

 

[John Jones Jr]

Well none of the SLK linkages are any good for a 202 it seems, carat says the 203 needs chopping up to fit a 124, would be good to know what needs chopping.

We also now know the linkages are different between M111 and M112 boxes.

Pulling your leg there Phil Yeah, hopefully Carat can clarify. Overall, I must say I'm feeling positive about the conversation, just the linkage is my main concern now.

 

[PhilJ]

I liked you better when you had D-FENS as your avatar.

This is a summary of my EPC trawling. I've gone through every 170, 171, 202 and 208 so far.

Not sure why the 208 230K has a different linkage to the 200K, anyone care to speculate?

170 SLK 200 and 230 Kompressor 170444 and 170449
A170 267 01 24, which was replaced by A170 267 14 24.
170 SLK320 170465
A170 267 04 24, replaced by A170 267 15 24.
171 SLK 200 kompressor 171442 and 171445
Has a simpler looking mech with the number A171 267 01 24
171 SLK 280 171454 and SLK 350 171456 and 171458
Part number A171 267 02 24
202 C180 202.081, C200 Kompressor 202.087, 208 CLK 200 kompressor 208344 and 208444
A202 267 01 24 replaced by A208 267 01 24
202 C240 202.088, C280 202.089
A202 267 06 24
208 CLK230 Kompressor 208348 and 208448
A202 267 02 24, replaced by A208 267 02 24

 

[John Jones Jr]

I liked you better when you had D-FENS as your avatar.

I'm still trawling through EPC

CLK230Kompressor 208348 – A202 267 02 24, replaced by A208 267 02 24

Different to all the 202 numbers I've found...

202 C180 202.081, C200 Kompressor 202.087
A208 267 01 24
202 C240 202.088, C280 202.089
A202 267 06 24

O.k.. Still, could be vital parts info.

As for the avatar, just time for a change. It's a 904/6 rep, admittedly not nearly as cool as going around armed and putting the world to rights

 

[PhilJ]

Done alot of the 203s, but there is still loads to do, and they all seem to have very different part numbers. Think I've missed a few of the updated to's as some had a completely different picture on another page. Alot were updated 4 or 5 times. Was there an issue with the gear linkage on these cars?

203 C200CDI 203004
A203 260 72 09
203 C220CDI 203006
A203 260 32 09, replaced by A203 260 51 09, also lists A203 260 73 09 as well.
203 C270 CDI 203016
A203 260 51 09
203 C180 203035 + C200 Kompressor 203045/203245 + C180 203235
A203 260 31 09
203 C230 Kompressor 203040+203240 C200 CGI Kompressor 203243
A203 260 50 09, also listed 203 260 74 09
203 C200 Kompressor 203042/203242 + C180 Kompressor 203046/203246 + C240 203061/203261
A203 260 33 09, also listed A203 260 50 09, 203 260 74 09, updated to 203 267 64 24 and 203 267 84 24
203 C200 CGI 203043
A203 260 50 09 and 203 260 74 09
203 C280 203054, C350 203056
A203 267 84 24
203 C320 203064
A203 260 38 09
203 C200 CDI 203204+203207
A203 260 60 09
203 C200 CDI 203206
A203 260 32 09
203208 C220 CDI
A203 260 51 09, replaced by A203 260 73 09
203208 C270 CDI 203216
A203 260 51 09, poss also A203 267 63 24 and A203 267 69 24
203220 C320 CDI 203220
A203 267 65 24 and A203 267 70 24
203 C230 203252
A203 267 71 24, updated to A203 267 72 24
203 C280 203254 + C350 203256
A203 267 84 24
203 C320 203264
A203 260 38 09 updated to A203 267 66 24
230 C220 CDI 203706
A203 260 51 09, and A203 260 73 09

 

[carat 3.6]

Carat, have you any idea what's the best linkage to use for the W202 M111. I ask mainly, as Phil mentioned, it's going be difficult to find an W202 with a 6sp as standard. So, I presume (I'm presuming a lot on this thread ) the best/most common option will be from a W203 as there's plenty being broken. If, I do go W203 6sp, will I have to modify the linkage?

I've never tried to convert a w202 so cant comment on that, but you should be able to use the w203 linkage. Even if you need to shorten it by a few inches, it isn't that hard to do.

The w124 needs it shortening by 3 inches, the w202 wont be that different.