A new E Class estate?

[MikeInWimbledon]

you could be the salesman a few years ago when I went to buy a Jag XF Estate, so I bought an E class instead I didn't want an 4x4.

There’s a whole separate thread to be started about whether Jaguar are giving up on saloons and “sports” (GT) cars. I smell à sale to the Chinese coming on….

 

[ALFAitalia]

If I could find a boot that is large enough for my two big dogs and enough luggage for a two week road trip on the back seat I'd happily go back to an estate.

Even in my last s212 E class estate it was a tight squeeze.

I feel my ML is just perfect for my individual needs.

To be fair the ML is a real 4x4 based SUV....like my old Grand Cherokee I had.....which incidentally had the ML 270, 5 pot engine on it. Most of the modern so called SUVs are just jumped up hatchbacks or saloon based....and more often than not actually have LESS space in the boot than a compatible estate car. Also, due to the current trend of making SUV rear screens quite sloping, there is often next to no head room for a lab sized dog in one.

 

[Crispian22]

To be fair the ML is a real 4x4 based SUV....like my old Grand Cherokee I had.....which incidentally had the ML 270, 5 pot engine on it. Most of the modern so called SUVs are just jumped up hatchbacks or saloon based....and more often than not actually have LESS space in the boot than a compatible estate car. Also, due to the current trend of making SUV rear screens quite sloping, there is often next to no head room for a lab sized dog in one.

In the nearly two years I've had it,it's been an absolute brilliant piece of kit,rear seats recline forward giving even more room in the boot for 90kgs of large chocolate Labrador and German Shepard.
Also the 550hp is a hoot.

Mpg I'm really not fussed by,superplus is still a lot cheaper than diesel and I don't have the added risk of dpf/egr/nox sensor issues that seem to be inherent with modern diesel engined cars.

The only thing I have been looking at of late to replace it is a E43 estate,they are still silly post covid prices still so will bide my time until they drop to pre covid price.

 

[Londonscottish]

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I think a lot of the fascination with SUVs is the perception of "safety". My Mam used to have that line of thought. My parents had a few Landrover Discoverys for years because they towed Caravans. My Mam was involved in pretty bad accident in the last one they had when an idiot in a van came round a bend on her side of the road. Whilst the Discovery was a write off the van was pretty much obliterated, the guy driving was lucky he wasn't killed. After that my Mam insisted on an SUV/crossover and got a Mazda CX7 despite no longer owning caravans. Purely on the basis that she felt more safe in a bigger car.

I think my Dad eventually managed to convince her that there was no need for an SUV and she happily drove a W204 until recently buying an A Class. I think a lot of people don't appreciate how far safety in cars has come and that there is a misconception that bigger is better/safer. Of course there is the small minority who buy them because the footballer's wives have them.

Yes, I think the perception of safety (especially from the fairer sex) is a big aspect. One of my neighbours had a Jag XF and a Lexus SUV. The Lexus was stolen so the wife was commuting in the Jag. I asked how she found it and she hated it - she said she felt like she was "going to get squished". I was thinking "Squished?! It's a ****ing Jag!!" but that's perception for you.

It's becoming sort of arms race round here. Ever-larger, wider, taller, heavier, black-er SUV's to give the impression of bulk and safety I suppose.

Each to their own, but not for me. Ask me again when I'm in my 70's with dodgy hips and a bad back and you might find me in some sort of crossover. But that's a medical situation not an aspiration.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

1994 was a bad year for Range Rover SUV "accidents"

Makers defend Range Rover safety after holiday accident kills five

Richard Branson was convinced his Range Rover was his saviour when he rolled it after a car pulled out of him on the A40

Branson escapes from car crash

And Bob Peyton's Range Rover had a similar mysterious accident

American Restaurateur Bob Payton Killed In Car Accident

Bulk and weight have their benefits and their disadvantages.

 

[Headhurts]

I have had 4 Mercedes cars including my current car, an E300 Hybrid from new it was 2 years of trouble free motoring this car was leased, the next car was a new E350 S212 Estate purchased new by myself and I loved this car the engine was absolutely superb and I kept this for 5 1/2 years which is the longest I have ever kept a car I sold that car and purchased an E220 Coupe which was a lovely looking car great tech but getting in and out was awful I only kept this for 9 months and I had a new C300 saloon on order which I cancelled as they are so low to the ground.

I now have a 2021 GLC 300 48 volt mild hybrid and it’s the best by far car I have ever owned, the main reason for purchasing is the easier access/exit as I’m in my 70’s, I do keep fairly fit as best I can but staving off the onset of age is impossible.

The car is in hyacinth red with saddle brown leather interior and had only completed 2300 miles on collection as it was a lock down car.

Now if you have driven an SUV and dislike them that’s fair enough and even if you dislike the looks again fair comment.

The GLC with the 2 litre petrol engine and 48v mild hybrid is mighty quick, faster even than the 3 litre diesel most of the times but I’m not sure about mid range speed acceleration but there is not much in it.

The GLC is way quieter than the previous cars and corners way better than the two S212 cars but not the coupe.

The ride is great on its 20 inch wheels fitted with Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tyres and suits the U.K. roads quite well although some may need to get used to the extra height which seems to give the car a swaying motion not extremely so but noticeable over the previous cars.

It is super easy to get in and out of which is important to me.

The boot area is shallow so much less room than the S212 cars which have cavernous cargo areas.

The GLC is a premium Plus so fairly well kitted out but the running boards are pointless and pretty useless,
the Burmester system is excellent, the seats super comfy.

The mpg is nowhere the mpg from the diesel cars, I managed around 43 mpg on the run from Blackburn back to Norfolk but I average around 32 mpg on the rural Norfolk roads.

I had never even thought of buying an SUV until it was suggested this type of car may suit me and it really does.

Robin

 

[Londonscottish]

1994 was a bad year for Range Rover SUV "accidents"

Makers defend Range Rover safety after holiday accident kills five

Richard Branson was convinced his Range Rover was his saviour when he rolled it after a car pulled out of him on the A40

Branson escapes from car crash

And Bob Peyton's Range Rover had a similar mysterious accident

American Restaurateur Bob Payton Killed In Car Accident

Bulk and weight have their benefits and their disadvantages.

Exactly. My mate rolled an early Discovery on a straight motorway. It was 4 up with luggage, he misjudged his closing speed on a car ahead pulling a trailer and swerved like he would have done in his car and over it went.

Yes miraculous everyone survived etc etc etc but the equivalent car just wouldn't have done that so there wouldn't have been an accident in the first place.

I suppose the safety systems in a modern one would have prevented the speed wobbles, the violent lurching and the ultimate tipping over but the fact remains you're fighting a lot of physics with electronics and, at some point, the physics will still win.

Anyway, each to their own. Loads of my mates have them and they're happy. And no-ones forcing me to buy one.

 

[ALFAitalia]

Not yet driven an SUV yet that didn't handle like a pig on stilts on anything other than sedate cornering (and I get to drive quite a few in my job)....that alone would put me off.....as said above...cant beat physics!!

 

[Headhurts]

Not yet driven an SUV yet that didn't handle like a pig on stilts on anything other than sedate cornering (and I get to drive quite a few in my job)....that alone would put me off.....as said above...cant beat physics!!

I’m not in a position to say as I have only driven the GLC but having had 2 S212 Estates I can say that the GLC is way better than the S212 on roundabouts particularly where there is a change of direction off a roundabout, but the GLC is quite firm on suspension and 4 wheel drive which I guess helps but an SUV is not meant to be thrown around like a saloon or coupe so it’s horses for courses.

A friend of mine has x 2 Ferrari cars, 1 x Mercedes Black Series, a LamborghinI, and several others but at 70 plus years of age I would not want any, even his girlfrIend who is quite slim and much younger than me has to drop into them.

Oh my god! I have become far too sensible, he scares the life out of me when I go out with him in his cars.



Robin

 

[E220dEstateS213]

Its myth that 'you need an SUVto tow' , unless it's something really heavy like a horse box. I tow a caravan, and have done for well over 40 years and have NEVER felt the need for such beheomoths ! My current E220d estate performs the task more than capably.

As does mine and much more fuel efficent than an SUV

 

[Mercman62]

"Old tech, mate. No demand for it. They all buy SUV's or EV's these days."

Not all of us..!! I have 300AMG it's brilliant

 

[John N]

Because I'm bored just looked on the MB website for new E Class estate which I have no intension of buying as my 2015 350 has only 54K miles on it; but there seem to be no new ones.
Have they stopped producing them?

I am slightly puzzled as to how someone's innocent question regarding the apparent demise of the MB E Class Estate, turned into a "We all hate SUV's" Club!

 

[tonysmb]

It was a year ago, so I would imagine that anyone concerned about it might be over it by now